27-05-2019, 08:11 AM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThe elections are not the downfall or the split up of the EU.
What they are is the start of huge changes, a revolt against the Political Elite.
The Political Elite have no chance of getting all their policies and legislation through without a fight.
3 of the top 4 net contributors just voted against the EU.
Oh dear ....
27-05-2019, 08:24 AM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?
Originally Posted by JBR
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I don't think anyone 'handed' us Gibraltar. We took it unaided.James VI or I was indeed the King of England as well as Scotland, which is no doubt why our Queen is so keen on visiting Balmoral.
If the Scots should ever vote for independence, I'm sure the Queen would be more disappointed than most.
27-05-2019, 08:28 AM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?
Originally Posted by Bread
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3 of the top 4 net contributors just voted against the EU.Oh dear ....
Disband the EU.
Disband the House of Lords.
Disband the Royal Family.
Disband the 'North-South Divide'.
Disband the political scene as we know it and begin again.
In a perfect world...
27-05-2019, 08:29 AM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Go back far enough and you find dutch and english (sorry, not the scots) defeating spain, and we handed you gibraltar. Contrary to the EU there is no way you can leave the UK. Even the proud scots tried a few times and failed.
Gibraltar is more British than we are, 98% of Gibraltarians voted to remain British.
Go there on a Sunday and watch the matches... you might learn something.
Besides, Gibraltar is one of our listening posts so we can spy on your countries on the European mainland and control everything coming in and out of the Med.
We have our nuclear subs there for a reason you know ....
27-05-2019, 09:55 AM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?
Originally Posted by JBR
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I don't think anyone 'handed' us Gibraltar. We took it unaided.
Gibraltar was captured in 1704 by a force led by Admiral Sir George Rooke (a British naval officer in case of any doubt) representing the Grand Alliance on behalf of the Archduke Charles, pretender to the Spanish Throne. After the battle, almost all of the inhabitants decided to leave.[1] Spanish attempts to regain the territory in the Twelfth Siege of Gibraltar failed, and it was eventually ceded to the Kingdom of Great Britain by Spain in the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht as part of the settlement of the War of the Spanish Succession. In that treaty, Spain ceded to Great Britain "the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging ... for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever."
27-05-2019, 02:29 PM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?
Originally Posted by JBR
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In case anyone is in any doubt about my statement, and to prove that the trolls continue to make unsubstantiated comments - from Wikipaedia:Gibraltar was captured in 1704 by a force led by Admiral Sir George Rooke (a British naval officer in case of any doubt) representing the Grand Alliance on behalf of the Archduke Charles, pretender to the Spanish Throne. After the battle, almost all of the inhabitants decided to leave.[1] Spanish attempts to regain the territory in the Twelfth Siege of Gibraltar failed, and it was eventually ceded to the Kingdom of Great Britain by Spain in the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht as part of the settlement of the War of the Spanish Succession. In that treaty, Spain ceded to Great Britain "the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging ... for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever."
Like many you think winning a battle is winning a war. You conquered the rock, but the outcome of negotiations could have been a return of the rock. That dispute was won at the negotiation table.
Compare it with recent history. The allies conquered germany, but it was returned, most of it, based on negotiations. What was kept was determined not by the battles, but the negotiations.
If gibraltar learns you anything, it should be that negotiating skills of your forebears were better than yours at present.
27-05-2019, 02:55 PM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?
Originally Posted by JBR
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Here is a prime example of why discussing matters with the Four Horsemen is a completely pointless exercise!The only way they can argue their point is by denying the facts of history.
27-05-2019, 03:25 PM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode
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Every region in England voted for Brexit bar London. Shame about my countrymen but that's only 3 MEPsOther arguments don't matter.
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