01-12-2015, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Joe
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Not a case of 'shutting up shop, and it doesn't have to be 'our' boots on the ground, the Pesch Merga have sufficient troops, they lack the necessary equipment and the training to use them. Provide them with that (although that would seriously displease Turkey) and we would go a long way towards eliminating ISIS.
These Pesch Merga sound ideal for this role.
01-12-2015, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TessA
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Isis, I hate the fact that they use "Islamic" in their title, should just be called Foe, face of evil, are tunnelling beneath civilians to hide from the bombs, using innocents as shields.I think in all decisions taken by governments, where lives are to be taken, there should be a free vote, so all members can vote with their consciences not to please the leaders.
01-12-2015, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MKJ
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Well, ultimately someone has to be on the ground else bombing won't do sod all. Bombing alone won't achieve much of anything. Bombing weakens but it doesn't take over. Whatever land is freed needs to be occupied after. Surely this is part of the plan?These Pesch Merga sound ideal for this role.
What plan??? - apart from extending the bombing mission into Syria and showing solidarity with the other dozen countries, Cameron doesn't have a plan. Least of all does he have an exit strategy.
01-12-2015, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Joe
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What plan??? - apart from extending the bombing mission into Syria and showing solidarity with the other dozen countries, Cameron doesn't have a plan. Least of all does he have an exit strategy.
You can't take over anything by bombing. You can stop hostilities if you completely blitz the place but the land can easily become as bad as it was before.
There is war being fought - one side against another. One lot is pushing forward claiming land whilst the other loses land etc. The opposing forces are already there - Syria Rebels - Assad and so on. Bombing is an aid to an army it is not a solution. Should one side be weakened sufficiently then the other can move forward again. Do we really need another lot of armed forces thrown into the mix?
01-12-2015, 04:33 PM
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It's a big mess and can only get messier unless we have a plan of action and a clear objective and exit strategy. Cameron has none of that unless he is not telling us, and if he is not telling us he has only himself to blame if we say no.01-12-2015, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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It's a big mess and can only get messier unless we have a plan of action and a clear objective and exit strategy. Cameron has none of that unless he is not telling us, and if he is not telling us he has only himself to blame if we say no.
CTCLs ...................
01-12-2015, 04:38 PM
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Sounds to me like some people are saying that if the civilians are getting killed anyway it won't matter if we blow a few more up! These are human beings, it's not a video game!What happened to the SAS? Don't any of the coalition forces have any of that type of soldier any more?
If they can use cameras to find archaeological sites can't they use them to find where these people are hiding? Then send in special forces to rout them out.
Or is that too simple?
01-12-2015, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TessA
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Sounds to me like some people are saying that if the civilians are getting killed anyway it won't matter if we blow a few more up! These are human beings, it's not a video game!What happened to the SAS? Don't any of the coalition forces have any of that type of soldier any more?
If they can use cameras to find archaeological sites can't they use them to find where these people are hiding? Then send in special forces to rout them out.
Or is that too simple?
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