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Originally Posted by Robert Jnr. ->
I am of the opinion that both of these myths should be dumped altogether.
Is that what you say to your grandkids, Rob?
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20-11-2017, 10:06 PM
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He was always Santa Claus to me as a child and Santa Claus to my children
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St Nicholas was a bishop known for his generosity to the poor. His Saints day is on 6th December so nothing to do with Christmas, but the feast day is associated with children receiving presents. So "Santa" was real, but he did not come down a chimney or have reindeer (he lived in what is modern day Turkey!).

Father Christmas was a bacchanalian political invention of the government after the civil war. They wanted to get rid of the Catholic frills of saints days. It was somehow merged with the American Santa during the less puritanical victorian times. Apparently it was a Lutheran idea that moved St Nicholas day to Christmas and inadvertently created the consumer-fest we see today. (something that would make Luther turn in his grave). The Government also moved Father Christmas to Christmas day. Anyway it all got mixed up and we have a mishmash of religious and political history on Christmas day.

So there was no "santa as we know him and there was no Father Christmas (politically akin to the recent "Winterfest"), but there was a St Nicholas.
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20-11-2017, 10:13 PM
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Myths?.....MYTHS?......MYTHS? Wash yer mouth out Robert......Father Christmas is real!!!!!..
Father Christmas is really a bit of government-sponsored spin.
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20-11-2017, 10:25 PM
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and looking at the translation , that's Father Christmas ,

we called him Santa in our home ,
Sion Corn literally (according to Wikipedia) means Jack of the Chimney, Sion being a derivative of John (Jack). Either way, it's some bloke sneaking into your homes and emptying his sack (oo-er missus)
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On a side note, apparently Santa Claus/Father Christmas originally dressed in a green outfit and that the red attire was a Coco-Cola invention.
How true this is I don't know.
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Sion Corn literally (according to Wikipedia) means Jack of the Chimney, Sion being a derivative of John (Jack). Either way, it's some bloke sneaking into your homes and emptying his sack (oo-er missus)
That came up in my research but not on Wiki , depending on whether the Sion has the ^ above the o it can be Santa Claus.


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20-11-2017, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Floydy ->
On a side note, apparently Santa Claus/Father Christmas originally dressed in a green outfit and that the red attire was a Coco-Cola invention.
How true this is I don't know.
Not heard of the green outfit. Might figure, isn't Coca Cola American? (Santa being American).
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20-11-2017, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Jnr. ->
I am of the opinion that both of these myths should be dumped altogether.
Humbug, you old scrooge! do you do Christmas ?
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
Father Christmas is really a bit of government-sponsored spin.
What? Are you real?
 
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