30-04-2021, 12:52 PM
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Re: No Deal with Norway
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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Hi.
Missing the point
Boris promised to deliver on Fisheries. he sold our fisheries out
He did not deliver on key promises, including Services.
Yes, we are out, I am grateful to him for that
We expected Churchill we got Chamberlain.
30-04-2021, 01:07 PM
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Re: No Deal with Norway
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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Saying things even many times does not make them correct."The fact is that UK consumers love fish that is caught outside our own waters – like the haddock and cod that come from 1,000 miles away in the Barents Sea."
Read the rest of this.
It explains much that all Bread's emotional diatribes upon fishing can never reasonably refute and it's from the UK's fishing industry itself.
Which, if we all want to be perfectly honest, is a far more reputable source for the facts than either myself or Bread.
https://ukfisheries.net/about-distant-fishing/qsas
Have you actually read this article you posted ?
It could have been written by Lord Adonis
The "we don't have enough boats" only works if you continue fishing for export instead of for our domestic market and you don't change anything. No business model stays the same when you change it and that includes fisheries.
I could also say, we don't have as many people in the UK using banks as the EU has so lets give all that to the EU as well - same for farming, we don't have enough cows so lets give that to the EU as well, oh and while we are at it we only have a very small manufacturing base so lets give that away.
I've explained this to you time and time again but you somehow think its great that we have the EU owning our fisheries after we voted to leave.
Brexit was about taking control of our money, our borders our laws and our fisheries.
1. We are still paying Brussels billions and also help fund their defence (among other things)
2. We still have illegal immigrants coming across the channel with help from Macron
3. The Irish Border has been carved out of the UK and had a sea border put down the middle, separating Northern Ireland from the UK
4. Northern Ireland (a part of the UK) is governed by EU trade policy
5. The good Friday agreement and UK union law has been broken by the Irish Protocol
and you think its brilliant ... carry on pushing the remain mantra on fisheries and celebrating the success of Brexit Zaphod
30-04-2021, 01:14 PM
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Re: No Deal with Norway
Originally Posted by Bread
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Have you actually read this article you posted ?It could have been written by Lord Adonis
The "we don't have enough boats" only works if you continue fishing for export instead of for our domestic market and you don't change anything. No business model stays the same when you change it and that includes fisheries.
I could also say, we don't have as many people in the UK using banks as the EU has so lets give all that to the EU as well - same for farming, we don't have enough cows so lets give that to the EU as well, oh and while we are at it we only have a very small manufacturing base so lets give that away.
I've explained this to you time and time again but you somehow think its great that we have the EU owning our fisheries after we voted to leave.
Brexit was about taking control of our money, our borders our laws and our fisheries.
1. We are still paying Brussels billions and also help fund their defence (among other things)
2. We still have illegal immigrants coming across the channel with help from Macron
3. The Irish Border has been carved out of the UK and had a sea border put down the middle, separating Northern Ireland from the UK
4. Northern Ireland (a part of the UK) is governed by EU trade policy
5. The good Friday agreement and UK union law has been broken by the Irish Protocol
and you think its brilliant ... carry on pushing the remain mantra on fisheries and celebrating the success of Brexit Zaphod
It doesn't matter what I think.
It doesn't matter what you think either.
I posted a link from the UK industry itself.
It's no use getting angry at me because of how they view the situation, especially when they are the ones directly involved.
Getting angry and making it personal, becoming insulting and throwing an online paddy because you don't like what the industry itself is telling you is not the way to garner support for your stance.
30-04-2021, 01:25 PM
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Re: No Deal with Norway
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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You're welcome, although sadly it seems to have upset somebody.It does explain a lot from the industry's point of view though.
Believe what you want to believe, Zaphod, I'm certainly not upset, just disappointed that Brexiteers who claim to understand what it was all about fail to acknowledge the problems we have with fisheries.
You are completely on your own with your opinions within the fishing industry and the fishing community, maybe they could help you understand, try asking them directly.
30-04-2021, 01:34 PM
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Re: No Deal with Norway
Originally Posted by Bread
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Believe what you want to believe, Zaphod.You are completely on your own with your opinions in the fishing industry and the fishing community.
Nobody agrees with you. Maybe they could help you understand, try asking them.
After posting a link from the industry itself?
I suppose these guys are wrong too then?
After all, again they're only the voice of the industry that's involved directly.
"Between 2001 and 2020, the UK overfished more than any other EU Member State – receiving 1,759,000 tonnes of quota above the scientific advice.[xi] UK cod stocks, such as those found in Rockall, the North Sea, English Channel and Cornwall, are degraded and in some cases on the verge of collapse. As the UK cod quotas are set above maximum sustainable yield for species, the stock size is in a state of reduced reproductive capacity and the overall assessment of the cod stocks in the North Sea and Eastern English Channel is unsustainable. The International Council for the Exploration of the Sea (ICES) recommended a cod quota reduction of 61% in 2019 to assist in guiding stocks back to sustainable levels, an increase from 47% reduction recommendation from the previous year.[xii]
This is not the first time dramatic reductions in catch have been called for. In the North Sea, cod stocks collapsed in 2006 following prior overharvesting. By 2017, these stocks had recovered sufficiently to become certified by MSC.[xiii] However, they have since declined again, in part due to higher juvenile mortality from warming seas, leading to the certification being revoked in 2019."
"In contrast, Icelandic cod receives the highest sustainability rating, while Chinese cod receives no rating as supply chains are significantly more opaque than European equivalents. "
"In summary, the UK fishing industry is facing some strong headwinds. On the sustainable front, European consumers and retailers are demanding more sustainable and traceable merchandise which neither UK cod, nor Chinese imports of cod, satisfy. And because of the absence of sustainable fishing, UK fisheries are severely depleted. And if this is not enough of a problem, UK cod export markets are in the balance as trade negotiations continue. This looks likely a truly unsustainable position for the UK cod industry."
https://planet-tracker.org/cod-astro...-side-squeeze/
Also reported here:
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Articl...aign=copyright
If you were seriously interested in the failure "to acknowledge the problems we have with fisheries" you would know that cod (which we're discussing) has been unsustainable for years in UK waters as the above shows very clearly.
So don't say "we can catch our own in our own waters" when this shows you the impossibility of that.
30-04-2021, 01:36 PM
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Re: No Deal with Norway
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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On my own you say?After posting a link from the industry itself?
I suppose these guys are wrong too then?
After all, again they're only the voice of the industry that's involved directly.
"Between 2001 and 2020, the UK overfished more than any other EU Member State – receiving 1,759,000 tonnes of quota above the scientific advice.[xi] UK cod stocks, such as those found in Rockall, the North Sea, English Channel and Cornwall, are degraded and in some cases on the verge of collapse. As the UK cod quotas are set above maximum sustainable yield for species, the stock size is in a state of reduced reproductive capacity and the overall assessment of the cod stocks in the North Sea and Eastern English Channel is unsustainable. The International Council for the Exploration of the Sea (ICES) recommended a cod quota reduction of 61% in 2019 to assist in guiding stocks back to sustainable levels, an increase from 47% reduction recommendation from the previous year.[xii]
This is not the first time dramatic reductions in catch have been called for. In the North Sea, cod stocks collapsed in 2006 following prior overharvesting. By 2017, these stocks had recovered sufficiently to become certified by MSC.[xiii] However, they have since declined again, in part due to higher juvenile mortality from warming seas, leading to the certification being revoked in 2019."
"In contrast, Icelandic cod receives the highest sustainability rating, while Chinese cod receives no rating as supply chains are significantly more opaque than European equivalents. "
"In summary, the UK fishing industry is facing some strong headwinds. On the sustainable front, European consumers and retailers are demanding more sustainable and traceable merchandise which neither UK cod, nor Chinese imports of cod, satisfy. And because of the absence of sustainable fishing, UK fisheries are severely depleted. And if this is not enough of a problem, UK cod export markets are in the balance as trade negotiations continue. This looks likely a truly unsustainable position for the UK cod industry."
https://planet-tracker.org/cod-astro...-side-squeeze/
Also reported here:
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Articl...aign=copyright
France has 90% of the channel cod quotas - we have around 10%
Why do we import cod ... any ideas ?
Over fishing - we have less quotas than the EU. Overfishing is being in breach of the EU CFP. Why don't we ban super trawlers and hand the quotas back to the UK so we don't over fish ?
Why don't we allocate quotas that favour the UK ?
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