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08-07-2019, 01:28 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
Facts, an alien concept for you I know but here you go
Did you read this (section 1.3)

Sunak goes on to estimate that free ports in the UK could create up to
86,000 jobs in the UK if they were as successful as Foreign Trade Zones
in the United States.8
By contrast, James McGrory, co-executive director of Open Britain has
described the 86,000 number as “deeply suspect” and a fraction of the
number of the number of jobs “that could be lost if we leave the
Customs Union and Single Market.”9


So free ports may help to alleviate the effects of brexit, but only a little bit. Didn't boris try to make you believe it would eradicate the effects?
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08-07-2019, 01:39 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Did you read this (section 1.3)

Sunak goes on to estimate that free ports in the UK could create up to
86,000 jobs in the UK if they were as successful as Foreign Trade Zones
in the United States.8
By contrast, James McGrory, co-executive director of Open Britain has
described the 86,000 number as “deeply suspect” and a fraction of the
number of the number of jobs “that could be lost if we leave the
Customs Union and Single Market.”9


So free ports may help to alleviate the effects of brexit, but only a little bit. Didn't boris try to make you believe it would eradicate the effects?

Only according to remain campaigner James McGrory

You should read the rest of the article... maybe explain it to Banchory, because he obviously hasn't
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08-07-2019, 02:31 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
Facts, an alien concept for you I know but here you go. ]
Banchory, let me explain why you are right

Jerry Hopkinson is the chief operations officer at PD Ports, owner of Teesport, the main port on Teesside: " By ]2040 there will be a £600m benefit. By 2040, 40,000 new jobs will be created," he says. "What we need to do is demonstrate that the upside benefits is proportionally greater than the loss of revenues in term of taxes. We are doing the calculations that will demonstrate that to HM Treasury."

Even if that is true, a Teesside free port is not necessarily a good idea. It would be far more effective to cut tariffs for the whole country rather than abolish them for one small corner.

After all, this is what has happened in Shannon - free port status was not really necessary after Ireland joined the EU and slashed business taxes, and the breaks were whittled away until they finally disappeared in 2016. Shannon, however, continues to attract investment, firms and jobs, as does Ireland as a whole.

There seems little reason why the UK as a whole cannot do the same, without needing to introduce free ports in Teesside or anywhere else.
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08-07-2019, 04:06 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.

Hi

Let's have a look at what Boris has promised and the timetable..

He becomes PM on 23rd July.

He then has to hire and fire and get a new Cabinet in place.

Parliament closes for it's long Summer Break on the 25th July.

The Ministers he fires will have nothing to lose.

That alters the Parliamentary arithmetic.

The new Cabinet Ministers then have to be briefed on what is happening and get to grips with what is needed to change things.

The DUP are wanting more money for continuing their support.

The DUP are refusing to move an inch on their Red Lines.

He then has to get Cabinet to agree which parts of the Withdrawal Agreement to renegotiate with the EU.

This involves not moving any of our Red Lines.

He then has to get No Deal Preparations back on track to leave on 31st October.

Many of the staff involved have gone back to their old jobs.

Infrastructure suppliers have had Contracts suspended and are not being paid for any more work.

There are lead in periods for these essential systems to be in place by 31st October.

The EU have their summer holidays coming up, they are also in the middle of Elections for their top jobs.

The New EU bosses will not be in place until 1st November.

The EU have disbanded their Negotiating Team.

Most of September here in the UK is taken up with Party Conference season.

He will only have a few weeks to get any New Deal he may have agreed with the EU approved by Parliament.

Corbyn will oppose it, he wants an Election.

Boris has racked off the Speaker, who will choose any amendments to any legislation Boris puts before Parliament.

This means votes in Parliament.

The spending plans proposed by Boris will cost £90 Billion, more than Corbyn was pledging to spend.

Boris will need to get some technical legislation through Parliament in time for a No Deal.

I simply cannot see how anyone, Boris included, can deliver on all this by 31st October.

He has committed totally to leaving on 31st October.

Time will tell if an organised No Deal can happen on 31st October.
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08-07-2019, 05:30 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi


I simply cannot see how anyone, Boris included, can deliver on all this by 31st October.

He has committed totally to leaving on 31st October.

Time will tell if an organised No Deal can happen on 31st October.
Conclusion: either there will be an intervention, revoking article 50, or the UK stumbles out in total disarray. Either way, the country will be in utter turmoil.
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08-07-2019, 05:46 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Conclusion: either there will be an intervention, revoking article 50, or the UK stumbles out in total disarray. Either way, the country will be in utter turmoil.

Hi

It will not be total disarray.

The EU have already published their plans to minimise disruption to their interests here.

The world is not going to end.

Brexit will however be far more disruptive and costly than it needed to have been.
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08-07-2019, 05:46 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Conclusion: either there will be an intervention, revoking article 50, or the UK stumbles out in total disarray. Either way, the country will be in utter turmoil.
They will simply extend the deadline again, no question.

Much as we would like to stumble out as you put it, we all know the EU will not permit it. This constant pretence of withdrawal deals and deadlines is fooling nobody. This is a dictatorship, essentially a tyranny run by largely unelected elitists and they are not going to allow us to leave simple as.

There is no democracy here. The EU masters imho don't give a flying fig about what the UK people want or their so called democracy. They already trampled over our constitution in moving the UK into the EU in the first place. Thus a silly referendum isn't going to suddenly make them change their minds.

They simply will NOT allow us to leave full stop. Their only problem is waging a massive media and social media campaign to make that tyrannical situation look as democratic and acceptable to the dumb masses as possible.

In this respect they are thus far failing miserably.

They already have France's yellow jackets giving them bother.

They will doubtless soon have a UK equivalent to worry about imho.

You can't keep stalling. The UK people see through it. They can see that we are being purposefully kept in by the EU and the UK politicians that are working for them.

Sooner or later the millions of Leavers are going to take to the streets en masse. It will make the Remainer marches look like a school trip outing.

We will not accept dictatorship in the UK.

Never.

Too many people fought and died for our freedoms.
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08-07-2019, 06:17 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

Let's have a look at what Boris has promised and the timetable..

He becomes PM on 23rd July.

He then has to hire and fire and get a new Cabinet in place.

Parliament closes for it's long Summer Break on the 25th July.

The Ministers he fires will have nothing to lose.

That alters the Parliamentary arithmetic.

The new Cabinet Ministers then have to be briefed on what is happening and get to grips with what is needed to change things.

The DUP are wanting more money for continuing their support.

The DUP are refusing to move an inch on their Red Lines.

He then has to get Cabinet to agree which parts of the Withdrawal Agreement to renegotiate with the EU.

This involves not moving any of our Red Lines.

He then has to get No Deal Preparations back on track to leave on 31st October.

Many of the staff involved have gone back to their old jobs.

Infrastructure suppliers have had Contracts suspended and are not being paid for any more work.

There are lead in periods for these essential systems to be in place by 31st October.

The EU have their summer holidays coming up, they are also in the middle of Elections for their top jobs.

The New EU bosses will not be in place until 1st November.

The EU have disbanded their Negotiating Team.

Most of September here in the UK is taken up with Party Conference season.

He will only have a few weeks to get any New Deal he may have agreed with the EU approved by Parliament.

Corbyn will oppose it, he wants an Election.

Boris has racked off the Speaker, who will choose any amendments to any legislation Boris puts before Parliament.

This means votes in Parliament.

The spending plans proposed by Boris will cost £90 Billion, more than Corbyn was pledging to spend.

Boris will need to get some technical legislation through Parliament in time for a No Deal.

I simply cannot see how anyone, Boris included, can deliver on all this by 31st October.

He has committed totally to leaving on 31st October.

Time will tell if an organised No Deal can happen on 31st October.

Can't see a problem with that swims, according to Lima Fox and his cronies it will be easy.

Eh up! do you mean some one is believing him.
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08-07-2019, 06:47 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Did you read this (section 1.3)

Sunak goes on to estimate that free ports in the UK could create up to
86,000 jobs in the UK if they were as successful as Foreign Trade Zones
in the United States.8
By contrast, James McGrory, co-executive director of Open Britain has
described the 86,000 number as “deeply suspect” and a fraction of the
number of the number of jobs “that could be lost if we leave the
Customs Union and Single Market.”9


So free ports may help to alleviate the effects of brexit, but only a little bit. Didn't boris try to make you believe it would eradicate the effects?
Yes they might, we had them up to about 7 years ago in Liverpool, Southampton, the Port of Tilbury, the Port of Sheerness and at Prestwick Airport

The report says "the Treasury currently has the power to designate free ports by Statutory Instrument" so we could have always had them if that was what we wanted
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08-07-2019, 06:50 PM
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Re: Brexit and Boris.

Originally Posted by Banchory ->
Yes they might, we had them up to about 7 years ago in Liverpool, Southampton, the Port of Tilbury, the Port of Sheerness and at Prestwick Airport

The report says "the Treasury currently has the power to designate free ports by Statutory Instrument" so we could have always had them if that was what we wanted

You should read your own facts
 
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