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13-07-2017, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Longdogs ->
Lots about it in the papers today. Strange how it's always the right wingers that are considered to be violent, yet this new wave of left wing bullies are allowed to get away with it.
It's despicable whichever side does it, I don't want either side to get away with it.
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13-07-2017, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
It's despicable whichever side does it, I don't want either side to get away with it.
I agree.
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13-07-2017, 01:21 PM
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More Labour MPs now standing up to be counted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6761046.html

"Caroline Flint, a former minister who served under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, compared its strategy to the Militant tendency in the 1980s"

"Ms Flint told The Independent: “I haven’t got a problem with party members being involved with pressure groups or discussion groups. But Momentum clearly has far-left parties, outside of the Labour party involved in it."

“They seem to be focussed on interfering in the organisation of the Labour Party. That is exactly what far-left groups like Militant did in the 1980s. They act as a separate party operating within the Labour Party but with no real loyalty to the party.

“Jeremy has to stop Momentum becoming that kind of group or it will destroy our party and undermine him as well, and I don’t want that.”
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13-07-2017, 01:29 PM
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More here:

Vandalism, abuse, Momentum and anti-Corbynites

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...s-should-watch

"Angela Eagle, the Labour MP and former shadow cabinet member who announced this week that she will challenge Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, has had a brick thrown through the window of her constituency office.

One window pane of her Wallasey office was smashed on the evening, or the early morning after, her leadership launch. Some of her staff members have been threatened, and she also had to change the location of an event she was due to hold today, because the staff at the venue also received abuse."

Corbyn has made a statement:

"It is extremely concerning that Angela Eagle has been the victim of a threatening act and that other MPs are receiving abuse and threats. As someone who has also received death threats this week and previously, I am calling on all Labour Party members and supporters to act with calm and treat each other with respect and dignity, even where there is disagreement. I utterly condemn any violence or threats, which undermine the democracy within our party and have no place in our politics."

Hmmm
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13-07-2017, 01:29 PM
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I'm all for far left policies being considered and used its the way threats are being used needs stopping. If they use the threats as a reason to pull back to blairites principles I think that will be end of labour as any sort of representation of workers and low paid.
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13-07-2017, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
The acts are perpetrated by Momentum but it's a bigger problem.

The Remainers are still very much planning to stop BrExit altogether. A quick read of the pro EU websites confirms it. They believe that there can be no Hard BrExit after the election. They believe that there is no "Soft BrExit", it simply doesn't exist and would never be tolerated anyway (it's all of the EU costs with no say in how things are run). So they conclude that in fact there is actually No BrExit, that it simply is not going to happen and that we are simply in a period of abject pretence and showmanship by the government who are in effect just stalling. They believe that sooner or later they will HAVE to admit that BrExit won't happen because the longer they continue the charade the more damaging it is to the country.
They also believe that in the absense of a majority government the balance of power will move to the House Of Lords who will steadily oppose all the BrExit motions going forward.

Don't think for a second that the Remainers momentum (pun intended) has in any shape abated since either the referendum or election. It has in fact ramped up and they are busily waging a campaign on social media and posting relentlessly on forums to highlight all the bad aspects of BrExit.

These people will stop at nothing to get their way and they are prepared to fight for it. In the end, democracy is a total sham, it doesn't exist and the BrExit situation is going to prove it to the country. WHen they final admit that BrExit isn't going to happen, they will wrap it up in all manner of nice sounding spin to make it look like they are protecting the UK's interests.

Hopefully people will wake up. BrExit does not exist, it never did. The "Common purpose" societies have worked for years to further thier One World Government agenda and One World Currency. The EU is a part of that agenda. There is no way on earth that they are going to allow anyone to jeopardise that. BrExit is a sham. A huge double bluff. The only thing the referendum will be remembered for, is being the one vote that showed the world that democracy is a total sham.
There were those in this country who assured us that we would become part of the Third Reich, and went as far as to try to persuade us that it would be a very good thing.

They failed too.
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13-07-2017, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
I'm all for far left policies being considered and used its the way threats are being used needs stopping.
I agree. Unfortunately these behaviours tend to come packaged with such left-wing ideology. In any other organisation, be it a football team, an IT company, a charity etc the people/groups responsible for such appalling activities would be dismissed immediately on the grounds of "Gross Misconduct".

A political party should be no different.

It is not enough for Corbyn to simply verbally condemn this type of behaviour. He must dismiss all Momentum and wider Labour party members involved and set a clear president. Of course he is unlikely to as the truth is, this is typical Marxist/Socialist militant behaviour.

His party has already been engaged in anti-Semitism and Corbyn has failed to address that too.

The man HAS to go.

Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
If they use the threats as a reason to pull back to blairites principles I think that will be end of labour as any sort of representation of workers and low paid.
There is no "Labour" at present. You have a 2 side party with massively differing ideologies and differing fundamental principles. They simply can not co-exist and the longer it goes on the more damage will be done and the further from being electable the party will be.

It is impossible at this juncture to even state clearly which side is actually The Labour Party. One side MUST oust the other and thereby show the nation which is which.

Essentially the nation is asking:

"Will the real Labour party please take 3 steps forward!"
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13-07-2017, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Purwell ->
Certainly is UJ, need to rid the party of Tories in disguise.
I agree with you both.
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13-07-2017, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Joe ->
"It is impossible at this juncture to even state clearly which side is actually The Labour Party. One side MUST oust the other and thereby show the nation which is which"


I see our fascist friend is advocating a 'purge'. Be careful what you wish for, Corbyn's supporters might just take you up on that invitation and purge all the 'nasty party' lite within its ranks, purify the party and move even further left!!! There are many in the Labour Party who would welcome such a move.
Fair point UJ but can you answer the riots at the home of Free speech in Berkley in the sixties holding a banner calling for free speech and became the home of free speech but then the Antifa left wing scum held a banner say Free speech and set fire to it against a Right wing Gay speaker

Can you answer when a right wing Gay speaker was asked to talk to the students there were riots.

Can you answer when the police at Berkeley stood on one side when the people who wanted to attend his lecture were attacked

Can you answer why the police stood aside on the orders of a left wing Major and let theses Antifa attack and fire bomb the UNI that some right wing gay man wanted to give a talk.

Can you explain why the Left wing NY Mayor went to the G20 to support the left wing rioters.

Can you explain why after the 3 Police officers exicuted by the left wing nutter and at their funeral the police turned their backs when he made a speech

One good thing out of Berkley is the person who attacked Trump supporter with a bike lock by smashing over the head with it will be standing trial ...funny thing he was/is a Professer at Berkeley.
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13-07-2017, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by galty ->
Fair point UJ but can you answer the riots at the home of Free speech in Berkley in the sixties holding a banner calling for free speech were this this was said to be the home of free speech the Antifa left wing scum held a banner say Free speech and set fire to it..

Can you answer when a right wing Gay speaker was asked to talk to the students there were riots.

Can you answer when the police at Berkeley stood on one side when the people who wanted to attend his lecture were attacked

Can you answer why the police stood aside on the orders of a left wing Major and let theses Antifa attack and fire bomb the UNI some right gay man wanted to give a talk.

Can you explain why the Left wing NY Mayor went to the G20 to support the left wing rioters.

Can you explain why after the Police officers exicuted by the left wing nutter at their funeral the police turned their backs when he made a speech there.

One good thing out of Berkley is the person who attacked Trump supporter with a bike lock by smashing over the head with it will be standing trial ...funny thing he was/is a Professer at Berkeley.

Firstly Berkeley is NOT the home of free speech, I would contend that that honour goes to the House of Commons in 1649 following the execution of charlie.

Secondly, since the events you cite occurred in the US, I'm not responsible for such events, have never been and have no desire to go there.
 
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