The Irish

Hi

The Irish are the second biggest group of EU Migrants in the UK, after the Polish.

Theresa May has said she will get EU Immigration down to the tens of thousands, but she cannot do this as she has said she will maintain the free travel area between Ireland and the UK.

The British Nationality Act 1981, in force from 1 January 1983:[11]

retained the facility for those born in the Republic of Ireland before 1949 to register as British subjects (section 31)
provided that Irish citizens, in common with those from the Commonwealth, would be required to apply for naturalisation as British citizens rather than registration after five years' residence in the UK (three years if married or in a Civil Partnership with a British citizen).
British subjects retained the right to apply for registration as a British citizen after five years' residence in the UK.

Not well known, but relevant.

The Irish Government are being extremely nasty during Brexit, far more aggressive and anti UK than either Germany or France.

They have set up a special unit to entice UK based business away to Ireland, seeking to attract £billions in the Services Sector, their Corporation Tax being only 12.5% on trading profits, as against 20% here in the UK.

This will be interesting.

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A colleague of Irish descent is planning to apply for citizenship and move to Ireland when she retires. That way she keeps all the Eu benefits.

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What did you expect

that leaving the EU was going to be easy?

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They all did think that and we would all live happily ever after!

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Hi

Nope, not at all, just amazed how much more difficult we are making it for ourselves.

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If it was the benign club we were told it was it should be reasonably easy to leave
If however its the nasty protection racket many of us believed it to be this sort of thing was bound to happen. Its just proving what many of us believed all along.

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Successive governments never stood up for us. That's what happened. They never fought for better deals or said, "we're not doing that!"
When Cameron made his half hearted attempt to get a better deal it was too little too late.
As I said in one of the first threads about Brexit. I never saw any posts complaining about the EU ( perhaps an odd one about bananas or pasties) before the referendum was announced. Then suddenly people were saying, "Oh yeah, it's always been awful..."

Re: The Irish

Hi

We have been part of it for decades and as such we have between 800 and a thousand laws to dismantle.

We then have to set up our own regulatory bodies for things like pharmaceuticals and nuclear materials, get the offices for them and the staff.

We have to renegotiate all our existing Trade Agreements we had as part of the EU, with each individual Country and wade through literally thousands of Tariff Schedules, like what is our share of South American Beef, Korean Cars, electronic components, steel etc etc.

This takes time and a lot of work and is key to industry.

None of it is insurmountable, it is all doable, it just takes time and staff, both of which are in short supply.

Article 50 allows for two years, a perfectly reasonable period of time for negotiations, provided of course, the country doing the leaving had got everything in place prior to the negotiations and knew what it wanted.

We have done neither and to a large extent we still haven't, the Cabinet is still arguing amongst itself and we wasted a lot of time holding an Election and then swapping Ministers around.

We chose to leave, our choice,

We are no longer part of the Club as you say, we are now a competitor and are simply being treated as such.

The job of the EU is to look after it's own interests and industries, not the UK's

Leaving the EU has all sorts of consequences, things like the Open Skies Agreement, which we will no longer be part of.

Easyjet has split itself, formed a new company based in Europe, so it can still operate flights within the EU.

The tax from this will no longer be paid in the UK, it will be paid in the EU, Austria will be getting it, that is where EasyJet Europe is now based.

If you naively think that leaving the EU will suddenly mean less Polish Cleaners and your wages will zoom up and you will be better off, you are sadly mistaken.

Wages are falling behind inflation, we are becoming worse off, that is what happens when the £ falls, simply because we import so much.

Taxes are going to have to rise, simply because we are losing so much taxation from our service industries which are not covered by WTO Rules and which are moving headquarters to the EU to be able to continue trading there.

There is the opportunity outside the EU to flourish, but not for years to come and sadly the present Government is not making a very good job of things, so it will take longer than it needed to.

I wanted us to be out in 2 years, the Government are now talking about a transition period because they have not got enough time.

The EU will sting us for that.

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And one of their key principles so they say is to treat neighbours and competitors fairly fostering a better world . not the exact words but the meaning was clear. Liars the lot of them.

Nigel needs to be far more involved in negotiations IMO he understands them well.

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Exactly, it's the fault of past and present governments for not arguing our corner, not making an effort to form strong alliances and not seizing more control (as one of the highest contributors we should have been in a position to do so).