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I agree that we must clean up our act by reducing pollution. And finding an alternative method of producing energy, but until we do we must continue to use the available resources. Methane is one such resource and is created by rotting waste, something that we are not short of these days. Natural Gas is made up mainly of Methane and only becomes lighter than air above room temperature.
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Originally Posted by Pumicestone ->
..... the actions of 7+ billion people, coal power, vehicle emissions, massive daily destruction of native forests, changed farming practices including synthetic fertilizers etc etc etc etc
have no impact on the planet ???? .....
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
.... I would love for all forms of pollution and fossil burning to stop tomorrow and when the sea levels continue to rise ......
You say "when" the sea levels continue to rise ...."
C'mon Foxy, you might be right.
Perhaps they would rise regardless, so let's do nothing ?
If the vast, vast majority of the world's real climatologists and governments say otherwise, however,
should we not err on the side of caution ?
Our grandchildren might wish we had.
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Apparently you are all talking a load of cock.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...ndal-ever.html

But there again you are all climate change experts so what the hell do I know eh?
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15-11-2016, 12:16 AM
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In real life the issue of CO2 or methane being heavier or lighter is moot in that portion we call the atmosphere because of the activity in the atmosphere from wind, convection currents, changes in temperature, etc. In a controlled area this can make a difference. A farmer and 13 cattle died in my area a few weeks back because of the Methane and Sulphur Dioxide released from a Manure tank. Methane is more potent as a Greenhouse gas but gets less press.
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Apparently you are all talking a load of cock.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...ndal-ever.html
But there again you are all climate change experts so what the hell do I know eh?
Seeing there are opinions voiced here on both sides of the debate - and somewhere in the middle,
your derogatory "all talking a load of cock "
makes no sense whatever.

And of course one can single out odd cases of dodgy statistics - but that proves nothing other than that some individuals are misguided.

I'll still lean towards the overwhelming majority of genuine research climatologists - and their lifetimes of study and experience.
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And even without a belief in human caused global warming, there are plenty of other incentives to reduce the use of coal ranging from the mining to the burning: Reduction in life expectancy (particulates, sulfur dioxide, ozone, heavy metals, benzene, radionuclides, etc.)
Respiratory hospital admissions (particulates, ozone, sulfur dioxide)
Black lung from coal dust
Congestive heart failure (particulates and carbon monoxide)
Non-fatal cancer, osteroporosia, ataxia, renal dysfunction (benzene, radionuclides, heavy metals, etc.)
Chronic bronchitis, asthma attacks, etc. (particulates, ozone)
Loss of IQ from air and water pollution and nervous system damage (mercury)
Degradation and soiling of buildings that can effect human health (sulfur dioxide, acid deposition, particulates)
Global warming (carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide)
Ecosystem loss and degradation, with negative effects on health and quality of life.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ffects_of_coal
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15-11-2016, 03:48 AM
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G'day Shadow ! Spot-on, mate. Well said.
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Originally Posted by Pumicestone ->
Seeing there are opinions voiced here on both sides of the debate - and somewhere in the middle,
your derogatory "all talking a load of cock "
makes no sense whatever.

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Far from derogatory Pummie, did you miss Rehab's 'Apparently' inserted before the statement suggesting that it was someone else's opinion (in this case the writer of the article in the Telegraph) so coupled with the article which was suggesting that temperature records were incomplete and had possibly been manipulated to demonstrate a particular outcome, the whole idea of 'Global Warming' has been brought into doubt. Couple this with the fact that millions of Dollars, Pounds and Euro's have been thrown into the ring to investigate Global Warming, every would be climatologist and university have jumped at the chance to secure funding to do a study. Providing their findings agree with the general consensus.
Was it Cambridge University who had their funding removed when they dared to question the validity of the available statistics?
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15-11-2016, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Shadowman ->
And even without a belief in human caused global warming, there are plenty of other incentives to reduce the use of coal ranging from the mining to the burning: Reduction in life expectancy (particulates, sulfur dioxide, ozone, heavy metals, benzene, radionuclides, etc.)
Respiratory hospital admissions (particulates, ozone, sulfur dioxide)
Black lung from coal dust
Congestive heart failure (particulates and carbon monoxide)
Non-fatal cancer, osteroporosia, ataxia, renal dysfunction (benzene, radionuclides, heavy metals, etc.)
Chronic bronchitis, asthma attacks, etc. (particulates, ozone)
Loss of IQ from air and water pollution and nervous system damage (mercury)
Degradation and soiling of buildings that can effect human health (sulfur dioxide, acid deposition, particulates)
Global warming (carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide)
Ecosystem loss and degradation, with negative effects on health and quality of life.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ffects_of_coal
That's quite a list Shadowman. It is a risky business just been born onto this planet, from the day we take our first breath we have started the long process of dying [shorter for some than others] The industrial world did not invent the chemicals and gases you refer to. They have been around long before us and all have their place in creating a balance that keeps our planet habitable. We choose to accept the many things that make our lives easier, Energy, Transport, Electronics and clean drinking water delivered to our Tap. We are walking a tightrope that will eventually break due to Wars, Natural disasters, pollution or that we simply run out of things..

So who will be first to give up their comfortable lifestyle to save the planet?
Truth is, we do not have the power to 'Save the Planet' we have to abide by her rules and when she is ready she will shake us off like a dog shaking off fleas and nature will carry on doing what nature does best, recycle and carry on.

To think that man can bring about a change to the evolution of this planet seriously underestimates the forces present on this rotating ball of energy flying through space.
Yes, it is possible to make small local changes by removing pollutants from the air we breath and it will certainly help the health of the residents but overpopulation will - in my opinion - eventually bring us down and until we address this problem, trying to change the natural progression of the climate is like throwing snowballs at the sun.

While large industrial regions like China and Malaysia continue to rule the world of production, and refuse to curb their emissions you are wasting your time. Here in the UK we had our industrial revolution [ no foreigners told us to cut emissions] and we came out of it pretty good with nice houses and several cars in the drive and a state who will pay you for being out of work or have come to the end of your working life. Now the Chinese people want the same things we enjoy, and why not? But how long can the human population expand and progress at it's present rate? Global Warming should be way down on the 'to do' list there are much bigger issues at stake.
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16-11-2016, 12:43 AM
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Interesting edition of Catalyst last night called The Anthropocene. If you can overcome geo blocking it is available on iView.

Basically says that after viewing data from 1750s from ice cores, sediment samples and other similar evidence there is a massive rise in all the base line figures for just about everything they measured from the 1950s. I can't remember all the samples but they included things like CO2, Nitrous Oxide, Fly ash.

The researchers had expected a steady but relentless increased what they found was a steady increase until the 1950s but then a sudden and dramatic increase in the rate of increase since then in every sample measured.

The main driver seems to be consumerism and it is affecting the planet to the point that some scientists are saying this might be the start of a new epoch (hard to tell of course) but we might be at the end of the Holocene.
 
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