13-11-2017, 03:52 PM
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Re: Recognise any of these signs ?
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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A rise yes but not powerful nationalism and yes I'd agree to Cronyism and corporate power to some extent. But no I wouldn't agree to the rest. Although our elections are rigged by propaganda, I don't believe they are fraudulent. I don't entirely understand the second point. In terms of workers power I don't think that's a state policy at present. That was Thatcher wasn't it? They are trying to make employers more accountable. Trying to put pressure on zero hours, the recent Uber ruling, etc. But I'd say workers are bound to lose power with automation and the move toward "shamrock" organisations. This isn't driven by the State but by capitalism and technological advances/global economy.
There were a lot of questions asked about the Tory Battle bus and bussing in door knockers to help out, plus the use of call centres to electioneer......all with financial irregularities.....from memory.
Many see Islamification of the country as a unifying cause.
The rise of zero hours and increase in benefit subsidised part time work, takes away workers rights.
13-11-2017, 06:54 PM
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Re: Recognise any of these signs ?
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiApart from the relationship between religion and the state the list is an apt description of communism.
a description of communism...ETA There was a drama on radio 4 yesterday called 'The Shield and the Sword' about the rise of Putin , it contained all those elements something to which we can all look forward if that puppet of the extreme left Corbyn ever comes to power.
13-11-2017, 09:29 PM
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Re: Recognise any of these signs ?
Originally Posted by Meg
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if that puppet of the extreme left Corbyn ever comes to power.
The problem is we have had an extreme Right wing government for a long time and that makes Corbyn look more Left than he is. Don't believe everything the propaganda sheets of the tax avoiding far right proprietors would have you believe. They need continuity for their own ends and they will lie, lie and lie again to sway the masses into voting for their benefit.
13-11-2017, 09:38 PM
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Re: Recognise any of these signs ?
Originally Posted by Devo
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Corbyn is relatively centrist compared to some Scandinavian governments and have any of them lapsed into Russian style totalitarianism? The problem is we have had an extreme Right wing government for a long time and that makes Corbyn look more Left than he is. Don't believe everything the propaganda sheets of the tax avoiding far right proprietors would have you believe. They need continuity for their own ends and they will lie, lie and lie again to sway the masses into voting for their benefit.
Corbyn is now a puppet of Lansman and Milne .
13-11-2017, 09:49 PM
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Re: Recognise any of these signs ?
Originally Posted by Meg
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I don't read propaganda sheets, I leave that to those who read rubbish like the Independant but I do have a good memory and can recognise the new 'Militant 'in the form of Momentum when I see it...Corbyn is now a puppet of Lansman and Milne .
13-11-2017, 10:16 PM
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Re: Recognise any of these signs ?
Originally Posted by Bruv
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Powerful and continuing nationalismDisdain for human rights
Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
Supremacy of the military
Rampant sexism
Controlled mass media
Obsession with national security
Religion and government intertwined
Corporate power protected
Labor [sic] power suppressed
Disdain for intellectuals & the arts
Obsession with crime & punishment
Rampant cronyism & corruption
Fraudulent elections
Many are very apparent in the US and frighteningly the UK
Early Signs of Fascism
Supremacy of the military? Not in the UK mate, but a lot of the above sounds like a Labour Party manifesto.
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