Re: The new passports (Post-Brexit)

What a load of claptrap you do talk.

By your definition, the wish to govern ourselves democratically = xenophobic nationalism.

Were the Poles 'xenophobic nationalists' 70 years ago? Were the French? Was the rest of Europe?

What a load of 'xenophobic nationalists' we all are!

Re: The new passports (Post-Brexit)

So, if we do that, and they say "OK, then it's off", then who do we trade with? You Brexiters have put us in a vulnerable positon where, desperate for trade, we'll have to agree to almost any terms, with whomever, or go without.

Re: The new passports (Post-Brexit)

Oh gawd, here we go again, same old trite, predictable soundbites...... 70 years ago, the war....blah, blah, blah.

The key is in the 70 years ago part, things have moved on, countries co-operating with each other to make things better is progress, shame the old fart Brexiteers want to stop it and take us back to some fictional 1940s Utopia that never existed.

Yes, you really are.

Re: The new passports (Post-Brexit)

In the recent Commons debate on the issue, the Earl of Courtown said :
"All EU member states are bound by the same procurement rules"
“However, contracts do not need to be put out to tender where services can be obtained from a state-owned company."
“Some countries, therefore, do have a state-owned passport printing operation. However, in the United Kingdom, we have not had the state-owned passport printing facility since the 1990s."

This was in line with my understanding of the passport tender situation.
As in many EU related things, the UK Government has not managed British interests and our own self-protection as well as they could have - or as well as some other EU countries have done.
I think it a great pity that we are leaving EU but I understand some of the frustrations of the "Brexit movement". I think if our successive governments had represented our interests better, the British public may not have been so keen to leave.
We have been the authors of our own fate.

When Her Majesty's Stationery Office was privatised back in the 1990s, the government chose to sell off the passport printing section as a separate private company. It was sold off to a German company at that time, then later sold on to 3M - they had the contract for our passport production for many years, so our passports may have been produced in Britain but not by a British company until the government switched to using the British Company, De La Rue.
If we had wanted to retain full control of passport production, we could have done what other countries did and created a state owned private company, or retained a major share holding, then we would have more control and been able to use the same exemptions that other EU countries use now to avoid putting the contract out to EU tender.
We chose not to, which I think was short sighted.

Re: The new passports (Post-Brexit)

Most of the Commonwealth nations, China, US, even the EU when they realise it's to their benefit.

It's not something I'm worried about, to be honest. The only concern to me is our weak PM and other politicians who are either weak, corrupt or treacherous.

Re: The new passports (Post-Brexit)

Perhaps, then you could explain your definitions of xenophobia and nationalism.

Re: The new passports (Post-Brexit)

Absolutely.

In fact, there's nothing new about that. Our glorious leaders have been selling off our assets ever since the war.

Re: The new passports (Post-Brexit)

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We are simply not in a position to do that, we do not have the systems in place to carry out that threat.

An awful lot of our Industry is Foreign owned and based here in the UK simply because we are in the EU.

They will not have their profits hit by having to pay tariffs, and have quota restrictions, they will simply relocate to the EU.

Re: The new passports (Post-Brexit)

We're doomed, doomed I tell ya.

Re: The new passports (Post-Brexit)

Yes, we are. And the blame for that lies with each and every person who voted Brexit.