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16-06-2018, 12:24 PM
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Labour War Meltdown

I believe we are on the cusp of the demise of the "Labour Party". The warring factions within it have torn it asunder such that it really is no longer an actual party but rather a bitterly divided set of groups all living under the (false) banner of the "Labour Party", all vying for the control of that banner.

Even if I supported Looney Labour, I could not possibly vote for what sits before the electorate at this point. You couldn't say who you'd be voting for. Is it Communism/Marxism ? Is it militant socialism? Is it a party supporting the EU or a party vehemently opposed to the EU?

There's no answer whilever this rag tag bunch of rogues and undesirables run amok like school children in a class totally out of control.

This week Commie Corbyn suffered yet another humiliating defeat when an astonishing number of his own MPs stuck 2 fingers up at his leadership and authority and defied the whip (again !). Corbyn has control of precisely three fifths of FA in this party. He's an empty puppet which his own MPs don't want, which the nations Remainers don't want and which young voters don't want.

Now the warring factions within the party are predicting that Union Leader 'Red' Len McClusky is gunning for Tom Watson.


'Tom Watson's days are NUMBERED' JHB warns

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...rty-Tom-Watson

"He’s powerful enough, if he wants to take me out as Deputy Leader, he probably could, but that’s up to him."

"The pair were close friends but have not spoken since an attempted coup to force out Mr Corbyn in 2016."


This is no longer a political party. It has morped into a multi headed mythical monster which is at war with itself, each head trying to bite the others.

We are witnessing the end of the Looney Labour party. That banner has gone, all that remains is an empty plaque. The reality is that there are 2 or 3 groups all masquerading beneath that banner, and not one of them is electable.
Scores of MPs and key Labour figures have quit as a result of Corbyn ruining the party and usurping its banner. It's nothing but a joke now.

The Tories are far from content and will no doubt eventually replace Mrs May. I think most would expect it. Yet the party remains a party and has the credibility to operate as a party and eventually take us through BrExit. They're making slow work of it thus far but they are pushing forward through what we all knew would be a minefield of process predictably obstructed by EU resistance. Nevertheless, it remains a party.

Looney Labour on the other hand is no longer a party. It's just a mish mash of school kid groups screaming and shouting for control.

Looney Labour is dead. It just hasn't stopped twitching yet.

Rationally one can not vote for a party that is not in fact a party. It would be pointless.
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16-06-2018, 12:50 PM
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Re: Labour War Meltdown

Originally Posted by Realist ->
I believe we are on the cusp of the demise of the "Labour Party". The warring factions within it have torn it asunder such that it really is no longer an actual party but rather a bitterly divided set of groups all living under the (false) banner of the "Labour Party", all vying for the control of that banner.

Even if I supported Looney Labour, I could not possibly vote for what sits before the electorate at this point. You couldn't say who you'd be voting for. Is it Communism/Marxism ? Is it militant socialism? Is it a party supporting the EU or a party vehemently opposed to the EU?

There's no answer whilever this rag tag bunch of rogues and undesirables run amok like school children in a class totally out of control.

This week Commie Corbyn suffered yet another humiliating defeat when an astonishing number of his own MPs stuck 2 fingers up at his leadership and authority and defied the whip (again !). Corbyn has control of precisely three fifths of FA in this party. He's an empty puppet which his own MPs don't want, which the nations Remainers don't want and which young voters don't want.

Now the warring factions within the party are predicting that Union Leader 'Red' Len McClusky is gunning for Tom Watson.


'Tom Watson's days are NUMBERED' JHB warns

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...rty-Tom-Watson

"He’s powerful enough, if he wants to take me out as Deputy Leader, he probably could, but that’s up to him."

"The pair were close friends but have not spoken since an attempted coup to force out Mr Corbyn in 2016."


This is no longer a political party. It has morped into a multi headed mythical monster which is at war with itself, each head trying to bite the others.

We are witnessing the end of the Looney Labour party. That banner has gone, all that remains is an empty plaque. The reality is that there are 2 or 3 groups all masquerading beneath that banner, and not one of them is electable.
Scores of MPs and key Labour figures have quit as a result of Corbyn ruining the party and usurping its banner. It's nothing but a joke now.

The Tories are far from content and will no doubt eventually replace Mrs May. I think most would expect it. Yet the party remains a party and has the credibility to operate as a party and eventually take us through BrExit. They're making slow work of it thus far but they are pushing forward through what we all knew would be a minefield of process predictably obstructed by EU resistance. Nevertheless, it remains a party.

Looney Labour on the other hand is no longer a party. It's just a mish mash of school kid groups screaming and shouting for control.

Looney Labour is dead. It just hasn't stopped twitching yet.

Rationally one can not vote for a party that is not in fact a party. It would be pointless.
That's a bit rich, even for the ridiculous Express. The Tories are so divided they might even split into two or more parties sooner rather than later.
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16-06-2018, 12:56 PM
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Re: Labour War Meltdown

Originally Posted by Realist ->
I believe we are on the cusp of the demise of the "Labour Party". The warring factions within it have torn it asunder such that it really is no longer an actual party but rather a bitterly divided set of groups all living under the (false) banner of the "Labour Party", all vying for the control of that banner.

Even if I supported Looney Labour, I could not possibly vote for what sits before the electorate at this point. You couldn't say who you'd be voting for. Is it Communism/Marxism ? Is it militant socialism? Is it a party supporting the EU or a party vehemently opposed to the EU?

There's no answer whilever this rag tag bunch of rogues and undesirables run amok like school children in a class totally out of control.

This week Commie Corbyn suffered yet another humiliating defeat when an astonishing number of his own MPs stuck 2 fingers up at his leadership and authority and defied the whip (again !). Corbyn has control of precisely three fifths of FA in this party. He's an empty puppet which his own MPs don't want, which the nations Remainers don't want and which young voters don't want.

Now the warring factions within the party are predicting that Union Leader 'Red' Len McClusky is gunning for Tom Watson.


'Tom Watson's days are NUMBERED' JHB warns

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...rty-Tom-Watson

"He’s powerful enough, if he wants to take me out as Deputy Leader, he probably could, but that’s up to him."

"The pair were close friends but have not spoken since an attempted coup to force out Mr Corbyn in 2016."


This is no longer a political party. It has morped into a multi headed mythical monster which is at war with itself, each head trying to bite the others.

We are witnessing the end of the Looney Labour party. That banner has gone, all that remains is an empty plaque. The reality is that there are 2 or 3 groups all masquerading beneath that banner, and not one of them is electable.
Scores of MPs and key Labour figures have quit as a result of Corbyn ruining the party and usurping its banner. It's nothing but a joke now.

The Tories are far from content and will no doubt eventually replace Mrs May. I think most would expect it. Yet the party remains a party and has the credibility to operate as a party and eventually take us through BrExit. They're making slow work of it thus far but they are pushing forward through what we all knew would be a minefield of process predictably obstructed by EU resistance. Nevertheless, it remains a party.

Looney Labour on the other hand is no longer a party. It's just a mish mash of school kid groups screaming and shouting for control.

Looney Labour is dead. It just hasn't stopped twitching yet.

Rationally one can not vote for a party that is not in fact a party. It would be pointless.
erhmm - has anyone woken Uncle Joe up yet or is he still snoring??
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16-06-2018, 07:02 PM
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Re: Labour War Meltdown

Originally Posted by gumbud ->
erhmm - has anyone woken Uncle Joe up yet or is he still snoring??
No just continually living in denial.

Trying his best to paint the Tories as the split party when the nation can plainly see that it is Labour that are utterly imploding and collapsing.

His MPs don't care for his leadership, they happily defy the whip repeatedly and simply don't care. They are even willing to be sacked for defying his commands, the feeling is that strong.

Corbyn and the Momentum thugs are in crisis. They've enjoyed a bit of grandstanding this past year as a result of the perceived popularity of old Jezzer but the bubble has burst and the illusion has evaporated into thin air.
Corbyn has been unable to bury and hide his history of supporting terrorists and opposing the EU and he's made very bad mistakes in wilfully duping and conning the electorate to try and get into power.

He is a spent force and no-one believes a word he says anymore.

He came, He tried, He Failed

Now the real Labour Party members are mobilising and gaining confidence in their numbers and will be ousting old Jezbollah pretty soon. No question. They know that Labour will never get into power again with him at the helm and his incompetent mathematically challenged Loonies in tow.

Corbyn has done untold damage to the real Labour Party which it now need to recover from. It will take years.

As a result, politics is in total disarray. There does not exist a viable opposition.
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17-06-2018, 03:08 AM
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Re: Labour War Meltdown

Hi

We have basically a two party system, Tory and Labour.

Both are being taken over by idealists who believe more in their own advancement and political ideologies than in taking a pragmatic approach in the interests of the Voters.

Both have no idea of the realities of life for the average person.

This is the difference between the UK and many other Countries where the Politicians, whatever their differences, put their Country and their Voters first.

They both make ludicrous promises to get into power and then do not deliver on them.

There is no continuity, £ Billions are wasted after every election as the incomers set about dismantling what the previous have started.

The system needs to change, but how, I have no idea.

Neither party will allow the voters to get anywhere near the Swiss System of frequent Referendums on any thing important.
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17-06-2018, 02:35 PM
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Re: Labour War Meltdown

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Neither party will allow the voters to get anywhere near the Swiss System of frequent Referendums on any thing important.
Yup. They are about control and continuation of a wider agenda. The 2 party system is imo owned and perpetuated by the EU. The politicians are their puppets. They have done a lot of damage to this country and its people.

They operate by stealth, skulduggery and by appeasing the masses with dumbed down media content which they control.

The Swiss system wouldn't work, simply because people can be so easily swayed by what is put out across the various media channels, TV, film, radio, newspapers and so on.

People need to be properly informed and educated in order for referendums to have meaning and purpose. Sadly they are neither informed nor generally educated.

Like you, I too believe the system must change, but can not fathom how.

Those in power will never give it up willingly. Removing those in power requires, ultimately, revolution.
 

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