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Or meat!
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Originally Posted by malcolm ->
And just what is it that makes dairy products organic ?
Dairy farmers rely on high yield nitrogenous fertilisers to grow the grass to feed the cattle.
They also depend on vetinary care for the animals and the use of lots of chemicals and antibiotics etc.
There is no such thing as Organic Milk and Butter !
It's the same with organic meat.
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03-10-2016, 04:36 PM
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Perhaps its the terminology. 'Organic' is too vague, an umbrella term.
When it comes to Dairy animals, there is legislation regarding their care.
They must be:
Allowed to graze most of the year on grass that is untreated.
Given plenty of space when housed inside during bad weather.
Fed mostly silage when unable to graze, no GMO is allowed.
Given no hormones.
Given no antibiotics unless really necessary, not milked until the treatment is finished.

In conventional dairy a calf can be taken from the mother at only a day or so old. In organic, the calf remains until it is three months old. The mother is not miked, her milk goes to the calf.

It is common practice for male calves to be killed at birth or transported to the continent to be sold as veal. Whereas organic farmers can choose breeds other than the dairy Holstein-Fresian, like the Red Poll or the Shorthorn, which can be both dairy and meat cows.

If someone has concerns regarding hormones in dairy or about animal welfare, then organic may be the best option.
Then again, maybe its just the taste or a belief its doing you good.
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09-10-2016, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by callistra ->
Perhaps its the terminology. 'Organic' is too vague, an umbrella term.
When it comes to Dairy animals, there is legislation regarding their care.
They must be:
Allowed to graze most of the year on grass that is untreated.
Given plenty of space when housed inside during bad weather.
Fed mostly silage when unable to graze, no GMO is allowed.
Given no hormones.
Given no antibiotics unless really necessary, not milked until the treatment is finished.

In conventional dairy a calf can be taken from the mother at only a day or so old. In organic, the calf remains until it is three months old. The mother is not miked, her milk goes to the calf.

Just a small point Callistra, but the cows/goats/sheep or whatever would still have to be milked otherwise they would get mastitis. It's just that the milk would have to be discarded instead of sold to the public.
Different antibiotics (and some wormers) have different milk withdrawal times.
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09-10-2016, 01:37 AM
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Why all this angst?.Do We really need Our Minds to be so troubled about what We eat?...If Like Me,You think the diet You've been leading most of Your Life is wrong for You...well all You have to do is change it..easy peasy..set Your mind at rest and eat what YOU think is best for ..YOU.
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09-10-2016, 08:08 AM
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Personally l feel the only way to be sure cows do not suffer is not to go vegan.
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09-10-2016, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by veganchick ->
Personally l feel the only way to be sure cows do not suffer is not to go vegan.
Hear hear... I like my meat rare. Knock off the horns and hooves, wipe its arse and stick it on a plate.
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13-10-2016, 09:32 AM
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Just noticed the error in my reply l actually meant to say the only way to be sure cows don't suffer is to go vegan
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13-10-2016, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by veganchick ->
Just noticed the error in my reply l actually meant to say the only way to be sure cows don't suffer is to go vegan
Not much point in having cows then is there? Have to cull the lot of them.
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Originally Posted by veganchick ->
Just noticed the error in my reply l actually meant to say the only way to be sure cows don't suffer is to go vegan
The whole planet going vegan is unrealistic. Cows will 'suffer' regardless of how many vegans there are in the world.
 
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