10-09-2017, 06:51 PM
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Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.
Realist, the media brainwashing was that it was somehow good for the country to leave an economic union after nearly 50 years without a plan. Some people made a great deal of money out of the referendum. Some are really benefiting from the fall in sterling if they have foreign investments. This seems to be all about some very rich people stirring things up so they can get richer. But it is going ahead. I can't see any reason why you would go this far and then change your mind. We should have been having these debates years ago and for Blair to now come out and say that mass immigration is maybe not a great idea takes the comedy prize of the decade.
10-09-2017, 07:11 PM
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Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.
Originally Posted by Realist
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There is no BrExit, there never was any BrExit. There is no intention to go through with it. They are buying time purely for the purpose of finding the best way to convince (read dupe) the masses that BrExit was always a bad idea and to convince us to accept it's reversal without that leading to revolution and civil war.
If Brexit is reversed, that would mean a democratic decision, taken in a democratic country, has been ignored.
That, in turn, would say to the world that Britain has ceased to be a democracy and has handed its sovereignty to a foreign power once and for all.
A peaceful conquest of a once independent country by a dictatorship.
How do you think the world's democracies would see that?
11-09-2017, 04:19 AM
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Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.
HiIf no deal is better than a bad deal why are we panicking?
Why are we attacking the EU about their refusal to discuss one with us?
Why are we wanting a Transition Period and offering to pay for it?
Questions which need answers and none are forthcoming from our Government.
Liam Fox, in charge of negotiating new trade deals,
The UK does not have the "capacity" to strike international free trade deals and has had to turn down countries who wish to sign one, International Trade Secretary Liam Fox has admitted.
Speaking to Politico, Fox said that there are a "number" of countries who want to sign an agreement with the UK, but the UK is "simply unable" to make it work.
Fox also said that he had told countries with existing EU trade deals that the UK wished to copy these treaties, and then update them when possible.
He said: "There are a number of countries who said they would like to move directly to a new free-trade agreement but we have said we are simply unable to do that at the moment.
"It requires the willingness of the country involved to want to move the process further on and it’s dependent on our own capacity in our own department."
According to Fox, his first priority is signing a trade deal with the US after Brexit, and then agreements with Australia and New Zealand, although he admitted that this could not happen until a deal has been signed with the EU.
In other words, our Government has messed up, we have not employed enough Trade Negotiators and are stuffed until we have done a deal with the EU.
11-09-2017, 08:59 AM
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Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.
Originally Posted by JBR
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Who's panicking?
David Davies, Liam Fox and Boris.
All attacking the EU for not moving onto trade negotiation and accusing them of blackmail.
All three are also asking for a Transition period, a position we should never have been in.
11-09-2017, 10:01 AM
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Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiDavid Davies, Liam Fox and Boris.
All attacking the EU for not moving onto trade negotiation and accusing them of blackmail.
11-09-2017, 10:39 AM
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Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.
HiYou can only blackmail from a position of strength, not weakness.
We were promised the EU would come running, that they needed us more than we need them.
We were promised new trade deals, now we are turning them away because we have not employed enough Trade Negotiators.
We should not have been in this position, neither should we be in a position whereby we are having to ask for a Transition Period because we are not ready to leave.
We did not vote for incompetence, we voted to leave.
11-09-2017, 10:47 AM
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Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiYou can only blackmail from a position of strength, not weakness.
We were promised the EU would come running, that they needed us more than we need them.
We were promised new trade deals, now we are turning them away because we have not employed enough Trade Negotiators.
We should not have been in this position, neither should we be in a position whereby we are having to ask for a Transition Period because we are not ready to leave.
We did not vote for incompetence, we voted to leave.
So knowing what you now know, will you still be voting for the scumbag 'nasty party' notwithstanding it was TM & her scumbags who got us into this mess???
11-09-2017, 10:50 AM
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Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.
I think businesses and people within the Eu really want a decent deal and for us to carry on buying, it's just the political people with the need to keep everyone in their power that aren't playing nicely.This is where politicians should have some link to real people and businesses, not just a political elite that has no ideals other than political ones to work from.
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