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The world is the Petri dish of humanity. We can't control what grows in it, but we don't have to watch either.”

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The argument given tonight on the news by a gunshop owner was to protect themselves from their own government, that if the government has automatic weapons, so should the citizens.

No answer to that is there ?

On Twitter another angle, echoing the old line "Guns don't kill people, people do"
Followed by "Nuclear bombs don't kill people, people do"........so why are they worried about North Korea ?

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Because fat Kim is a person?
He rules North Korea.
He has nuclear capabilities....though these are crude.

So they are correct.

Hard to believe some of the excuses to act like The Waco Kid.

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Kim jong un is a person ?

Who do they think goes into the gun shops and buys guns in America ?
I'll tell you......People.

They worry about foreign people with fire power, but not American people ?

Same logic......different outcome.

Think about it.

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Hey, I'm with you on this....I also questioned the reasoning and attitude of the cops., of which i have a few as friends...not online friends, friends I've known for w20+ years.

I hope our American pals on here don't think this is a US bashing debate because all I am bashing is the NRA hardliners and followers.

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I would hope our American pals don’t see this as an American bashing debate Terry.
Obviously I did not start this thread with that intention, far from.
I am on an American seniors forum, and I started a thread on there exactly the same as here, with exactly the same question, together with newspaper link.
Nothing adverse such as you mention up to now.

I have NOT said anything on that forum about my thread here on this forum.
Nor will i.

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Well, interesting article that boozecruiser kindly shared with us.
This is in no way Boozecruiser's fault but the article is not only very obviously biased, it is way off base in it's facts.

The author is wrong almost from the beginning . He states that the United States Constitution was written in 1776. Wrong ! The Constitution was not written until 1787, 11 years later. Moreover, the "Bill of Rights" was not written and ratified until 1791. People of foreign nations may not be aware that the U.S. Constitution does not even mention guns or the keeping and bearing of arms. That right stems from the Bill of Rights, 2nd Amendment, which states, and I quote, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed". Unquote

I wish to make it absolutely clear that I do not point a finger at any U.K. citizen alive today but rather at His Majesties Royal military of the last quarter of the 1700's. The 2nd Amendment flows from a time when U.S. citizens were under the thumb of the British crown. It goes far, far beyond the paying of taxes to England. England had dictated to the American colonies that we were not allowed to produce any metal ores nor were we allowed to manufacture any metal tools, not shovels, not pick-axes, not plows, not axes or knives, not horseshoes, nor chains. We were required to buy all such items from England in order to make the British ruling class even richer. That, ladies and gentlemen was the entire basis of all British colonies world-wide.

These foreign dictates were enforced by the British army. To add insult to injury The Crown further dictated that the colonials must provide food and lodging to the British troops, right in the private homes of the colonials. In point of fact we were little better than slaves to the British ruling class.
Finally, after repeated attempts to get England to hear our pleas, we could no longer stomach this oppression and we declared our freedom in the now famous "Declaration of Independence"

England reacted violently to our actions and it attempted to enforce their dictates through force of arms and the Revolutionary War began. The British, under the command of Lord Cornwallis, began a systematic killing of men, women and children who supported the "rebels". Peaceful farmers had their live-stock stolen, crops in the fields burned, and their homes and barns burned to the ground. citizens were arrested, sentenced without benefit of trial, and promptly hanged.

In any examination of America's so called gun-culture it is essential to understand that the 2nd amendment of the Bill of Rights flows from British foreign tyranny. We have forgiven the UK but we have never forgotten. Nor will we ---ever.

Now, some may say that the above has nothing to do with today's issues. But that is incorrect. It is like saying that the fruit of the tree has nothing to do with the roots. England oppressed us, we declared independence, the Revolutionary War raged across the colonies, England was soundly beaten, the Constitution was written and the Bill of Rights was added.

So it was in thanks to the British crown that we wrote protections into law against further foreign tyranny. It is as much a part of an American as is his very heart.

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Bakerman
Thank you Boozer, I do not see your post as America bashing.
You have put forward a rational idea.

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Bakerman
Thank you Purell and Tpin

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I honestly think the gun culture and the 'right to bear arms' is too deeply rooted in the American mindset for us to have any chance of change now.

The best thing we can do is to learn from it, continue our strong stance against gun ownership and our own tough gun laws and hope we do not end up on the same bloodsoaked path as they have done.