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22-05-2018, 12:15 PM
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Getting Tough with the EU

Hi

The latest round of negotiations started today.

We still have no detailed plan of what we want, so discussions are solely about technical issues.

A deal, if we are to have one, needs to put before the respective Parliaments by October this year ready for March next year.

All EU States must agree it, as must our own Parliament.

Our Economy is stable at the moment, a fall in the £ which is making Imports more expensive and a small fall in GDP.

Ireland is playing Hard Ball, they can just block the entire deal on their own.

Our Government is split and Corbyn is just stirring things, with absolutely no clear Plan in place.

What to do?

JRM and Boris are sniping and threatening from the side lines.

They certainly have enough votes behind them to scupper anything other than a Hard Brexit.

The EU have not come running, we are not going to have our cake and eat it.

They have been remarkably united and have been putting their plans in place ready for a Hard Brexit.

They have agreed their offer, a Canada style deal.

They have done their sums and can cope with that.

Our Industries are miles ahead of our Government, they have their plans in place.

They are splitting their operations, a base here and a base in the EU.

It matters nothing to them where they pay tax.

They are not going to be losing out, they will simply pay tax in the EU rather than here.

On Services alone, the EU will be getting more in Tax than we currently pay them.

Renault are building their new van here, cheaper to do so than building a new plant in the EU.

Airbus, Nissan and Toyota are making decisions on whether to move out to the EU.

Airbus most certainly will, Nissan and Toyota are wait and see what deal we get.

BMW and VW will still be building Rolls and Bentley here, money is not an issue for their customer base.

Rolls Royce Aerospace, the plane engine builders, are a different matter, they can build them in the EU.

Both Japan and South Korea, the two huge Trade Deals just signed with the EU, have said that will not be signing one with the UK, a wait and see attitude.

India have said get lost until you allow more Immigration.

Would you risk it on the Boris and JRM stance?

Just threaten them with no deal?

I am genuinely interested.
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22-05-2018, 12:46 PM
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So much for 'red lines in the sand' !!!
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22-05-2018, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Joe ->


So much for 'red lines in the sand' !!!
Hi

I cannot understand why you despise your own Country so much.

If Communism is so much better, go live there.
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22-05-2018, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

I cannot understand why you despise your own Country so much.

If Communism is so much better, go live there.

Just taking the rise out of the scumbag 'nasty party'
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23-05-2018, 04:08 PM
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Hi

Well today we have learnt that our exporters will have to pay HMRC £32.50 for every customs declaration after Brexit, a cost of between £17 and 20 Billion a year.

On top of this of course is the cost of the time taken to make such declarations.

We also learn that we are asking for a Data Sharing exemption and the right to vote on EU Rules on Data Sharing.

We have also stated that if we get it, we would accept ECJ rulings on this.

It gets weirder by the day.
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23-05-2018, 05:42 PM
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What did you expect, pie in the sky? All you gammon joints have no idea how the economy works.
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23-05-2018, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

The latest round of negotiations started today.

We still have no detailed plan of what we want, so discussions are solely about technical issues.

A deal, if we are to have one, needs to put before the respective Parliaments by October this year ready for March next year.

All EU States must agree it, as must our own Parliament.

Our Economy is stable at the moment, a fall in the £ which is making Imports more expensive and a small fall in GDP.

Ireland is playing Hard Ball, they can just block the entire deal on their own.

Our Government is split and Corbyn is just stirring things, with absolutely no clear Plan in place.

What to do?

JRM and Boris are sniping and threatening from the side lines.

They certainly have enough votes behind them to scupper anything other than a Hard Brexit.

The EU have not come running, we are not going to have our cake and eat it.

They have been remarkably united and have been putting their plans in place ready for a Hard Brexit.

They have agreed their offer, a Canada style deal.

They have done their sums and can cope with that.

Our Industries are miles ahead of our Government, they have their plans in place.

They are splitting their operations, a base here and a base in the EU.

It matters nothing to them where they pay tax.

They are not going to be losing out, they will simply pay tax in the EU rather than here.

On Services alone, the EU will be getting more in Tax than we currently pay them.

Renault are building their new van here, cheaper to do so than building a new plant in the EU.

Airbus, Nissan and Toyota are making decisions on whether to move out to the EU.

Airbus most certainly will, Nissan and Toyota are wait and see what deal we get.

BMW and VW will still be building Rolls and Bentley here, money is not an issue for their customer base.

Rolls Royce Aerospace, the plane engine builders, are a different matter, they can build them in the EU.

Both Japan and South Korea, the two huge Trade Deals just signed with the EU, have said that will not be signing one with the UK, a wait and see attitude.

India have said get lost until you allow more Immigration.

Would you risk it on the Boris and JRM stance?

Just threaten them with no deal?

I am genuinely interested.
You're buying in to the Project Fear narrative.

Whatever 'barriers' are put in place our businesses will handle it. It's what businesses do.
Even now the so called single market is a fallacy and many individual EU countries put up protectionist barriers under the guise of national H&S laws or whatever, especially in the food and drink industry.

The costs you refer to ( which are speculation btw) pale in to insignificance when compare to , say, currency fluctuations.

Your references to Trade deals are meaningless as we are not allowed to negotiate any at this moment in time.

The negotiations so far are about 75% complete and agreed upon and there is no reason to think they won't be competed in time.

Whether they are agreed to your satisfaction is another matter.

India haven't asked for free movement a la EU model with rights to settle but a visa system that allows ease of movement for people involved in business with the UK in order to conduct that business efficiently.
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24-05-2018, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow ->
You're buying in to the Project Fear narrative.

Whatever 'barriers' are put in place our businesses will handle it. It's what businesses do.
Even now the so called single market is a fallacy and many individual EU countries put up protectionist barriers under the guise of national H&S laws or whatever, especially in the food and drink industry.

The costs you refer to ( which are speculation btw) pale in to insignificance when compare to , say, currency fluctuations.

Your references to Trade deals are meaningless as we are not allowed to negotiate any at this moment in time.

The negotiations so far are about 75% complete and agreed upon and there is no reason to think they won't be competed in time.

Whether they are agreed to your satisfaction is another matter.

India haven't asked for free movement a la EU model with rights to settle but a visa system that allows ease of movement for people involved in business with the UK in order to conduct that business efficiently.
Hi

£20 Billion a year cost to Business is a lot of money irrespective of what you think.

It is the annual savings from Austerity and twice our net payments to the EU.

As regards Trade Deals, when we leave the EU we leave all the other Trade Deals we have.

Liam Fox promised they would all carry over seamlessly by means of technical rectification.

This means new Trade Deals with each one.

The EU did not object to this at all.

We have not managed to do this, in fact there have been complaints made to the WTO.

Brexit is not just about leaving the EU, it is about leaving all the other Trade Deals as well.

I am not buying into Project Fear at all.

I did not however vote for Project Stupid.
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24-05-2018, 05:32 PM
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I did not however vote for Project Stupid.
Oh yes you did, FFS!
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24-05-2018, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Purwell ->
Oh yes you did, FFS!
Hi

I can assure I never have and never will vote for Corbyn.
 
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