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23-02-2017, 10:17 PM
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Re: Do you take Turmeric?

Originally Posted by Pumicestone ->
Oh boy, the great Complementary "Medicine" scam rears its ugly head again.

If you go and spend a heap of money buying this stuff, most will convince themselves that they derive some benefit.
Otherwise they'd feel like a goose for being conned.

By all means, use turmeric or ginger etc in cooking - great, tasty ingredients.
But scoffing bottles of pills or capsules, you've gotta be kidding.

Despite all the claims, there are NO genuine, conclusive, large-scale clinical trials on humans.
None. Zero. Zilch.
The so-called "scientific" research is almost invariably funded by the companies making billions by flogging this nonsense.
(One of the world's largest is Australian).

Do whatever makes you feel good - but try looking at both sides of the story.
Google "complementary medicine scams" or something similar.

Many can actually cause significant harm.
A well respected Doctor [Dr Michael Mosley] who presents a programme on the BBC oversaw a trial containing a hundred or so volunteers who were divided into three groups. The first group was given Turmeric to add to their food during cooking. The second group were given an equivalent capsule containing Turmeric. And the third group took a placebo.

A chemical released into the blood that is present when inflammation is present was checked before and after the tests.
As expected, the placebo group showed no change. But there was very little change in the capsule takers. however, the Turmeric group showed a large drop in the chemical, which suggested Turmeric is extremely beneficial in reducing inflammation.
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23-02-2017, 10:43 PM
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A well respected Doctor [Dr Michael Mosley] who presents a programme on the BBC oversaw a trial containing a hundred or so volunteers who were divided into three groups. The first group was given Turmeric to add to their food during cooking. The second group were given an equivalent capsule containing Turmeric. And the third group took a placebo.

A chemical released into the blood that is present when inflammation is present was checked before and after the tests.
As expected, the placebo group showed no change. But there was very little change in the capsule takers. however, the Turmeric group showed a large drop in the chemical, which suggested Turmeric is extremely beneficial in reducing inflammation.
I like Michael Mosely and have a lot of respect for his opinion which is always well researched and measured.

I don't subscribe to lots of 'alternative therapies' but I saw the programme about Turmeric and the trials conducted and
I think Turmeric is one of the 'good guys' and well worth taking preferably in its purest form with food
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Coincidentally, I watched a TV doco on the subject just last night
Dear lord Pummy you are getting worse my friend. TV documentaries?!!! The TV media is owned and controlled by the establishment, you surely know that. They are never going to allow anyone to put up a serious program on either food or health issues unless it supports the criminal status quo.

The products of Nature are not "complimentary" or "alternative". It is the man-made snake oil that is "alternative". It doesn't come from the ground, it's synthetic and largely useless.

A very simple example.

A simple and blessed clove of garlic contains over 300 active compounds which are all produced by Nature who has refined it over millennia. All those compounds work in harmony with each other. Scientists KNOW there are over 300 compounds but they only understand a handful of them.

On the other hand, a simple Paracetamol tablet has just ONE active compound.

Now which is really the true medicine and which the alternative ?!!!

The medical institution is controlled and brainwashed from the top down, right the way from early Med School down to the local GP. They do and say what they are told to otherwise they lose their lucrative jobs, it's that simple.

None of them dare stand up and tell the truth about the Flu Jab. It would be a career destroying decision to do so. The best those with any conscience can muster is to say that they are surprised that the NHS invests so much money in the Flu Jab campaigns when there are far more pressing and needy causes to spend those £millions on.

We need to be very clear here. We are NOT talking about Homeopathy, the nonsense with water with memory.

We are talking about NATURAL cures, NATURAL medicine which comes from the ground, which has evolved and been perfected over millions of years. We are all creatures of Nature, and Nature is our mother, and the bosom to which we should cling. Everything we need comes from there.

It is true that there are plenty of charlatans offering healing services and potions and pills as well as the mainstream medical industry. We should not however confuse those with the simple and effective products of Nature which have been used successfully for many 1000s of years.
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25-02-2017, 05:41 AM
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It is a fact of life that many of our modern medicines are derived from plants and the observation of so called primitive people who use them.

Turmeric is an example of this.

I would never use it to the exclusion of modern medicines, that to my mind would be stupid, it is however very good for treating inflammation.

Dock leaves, used to treat stings, we used them as kids, they work, because they contain oxalic acid.

Turmeric is good for stopping small cuts becoming septic, it stings like hell, but it works.

The basis of many modern medicines is observation of natural remedies, we now have the knowledge to isolate the chemicals involved.

I have a class reaction to Statins, a very commonly prescribed drug, same effect by eating certain types of oily fish.

I am immune to Warfarin, a legacy of my early days researching it and why it did not work in some circumstances, a diet rich in Vitamin K.

I can achieve the same effect as Warfarin by eating foods rich in Salicylates, no great trouble, they taste lovely.
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25-02-2017, 09:52 AM
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I add Turmeric to foods, gravies etc. I read it might be good for tumours. If it stops the one on my remaining kidney from growing any larger, might as well take it as not. It won't do any harm at least.
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Two very good pieces Realist and Swim, you took the words right out of my mouth, I was about to write; Why do we call natural foods Alternative? Surely the stuff made in the lab is the alternative....

The problem I have with scientists isolating and extracting the active ingredient in various natural products is the fact that sometimes it is the sum of the parts that provide the benefit.
For example: The body needs Vitamin B in order to absorb Iron, it also needs Vitamin D for the body to absorb Calcium. There are many examples of this, it is only when certain things are ingested together that the body can reap the benefits.

I hope the Turmeric is successful Mart, some very good results have been experienced by people with tumours....
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i have tried it,,in capsule form plus curcumin also--I was haing a lot of muscle pains--but neither of them seemed to help--the doctor diagnosed polymyalgia so I am now on steroids, which seems to have helped, but hoping to cut down on steroids eventually...
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26-02-2017, 09:09 AM
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I'm suggesting to Mrs mart that she adds it to foods. Her arthritis has worsened recently. She's having trouble her hands and doing the various crafts she has been so good at. Turmeric is said to help with arthritis, so worth trying it.
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A friend of mine who owns several horses came to visit. I asked him about his favourite, a young horse and he told me he had been devastated as the horse has severe arthritis.
Somebody told him about Turmeric and he has been feeding it to the horse for several months now and the results are amazing. The horse is walking , running and jumping again.
So, I've started taking it, it's early days, but although I don't expect to be running and jumping, it would be good if the walking improved.
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27-02-2017, 05:01 PM
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Re: Do you take Turmeric?

Originally Posted by Realist ->
Dear lord Pummy you are getting worse my friend. TV documentaries?!!!
The TV media is owned and controlled by the establishment (?), you surely know that.
They are never going to allow anyone to put up a serious program on either food or health issues unless it supports the criminal status quo.............
Ummmm Realist, do you realize that you're sounding just a tiny tad paranoid ?

I don't know about the UK, but in Aus, mega advertising-dollars are spent by those peddling these funny-pills - multi-vitamins, fish oil, glucosamine etc etc etc.
It would hardly be in the media's interests to rubbish the geese which lay such golden eggs.
But that is precisely what the (BBC) doco did.

And TV-doco or not, it is the content that counts.
The hour-long program featured interviews with leading medical specialists, dietitians and researchers from around the globe - Britain, the USA, Australia and elsewhere.

I tend to think that maybe, just perhaps, turmeric might have some value.
But I am equally convinced that most of this these supplements are a scam.

As one of the 'experts' said
"If you are consuming a balanced diet, popping this stuff is literally pissing your money down the toilet".
Or words to that effect.
 
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