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Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
Btw small thing but important we are uk not Russia so any communism here would be very different to any anywhere else, it's also a different time so it would be even more different.
We don't have communism here because we have never wanted it and we will never want it. It hasn't worked anywhere in the world because people are corrupt, have infinite wants and are not motivated by a closed economy and no freedom of speech.

Without motivation you have nothing, no creativity and no progress. Without at least an illusion of freedom you have no motivation.

The best society has a mixed economy and democracy. Getting the mix right is the issue.
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We don't have communism here because we have never wanted it and we will never want it. It hasn't worked anywhere in the world because people are corrupt, have infinite wants and are not motivated by a closed economy and no freedom of speech.

Without motivation you have nothing, no creativity and no progress. Without at least an illusion of freedom you have no motivation.

The best society has a mixed economy and democracy. Getting the mix right is the issue.
I think I just said that but shorter. But I don't believe motivation has to be money. A society can run differently if they want to try. Sadly we are sold capitalism is only way but IMO it's not.
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08-10-2017, 05:36 PM
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I think I just said that but shorter. But I don't believe motivation has to be money. A society can run differently if they want to try. Sadly we are sold capitalism is only way but IMO it's not.
It's not the only way but it beats serfdom doesn't it? At least people have opportunities in a capitalist system, it's just lost its way a bit in the last couple of decades. A fairer balance is needed rather than relying on the "invisible hand".
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It's not the only way but it beats serfdom doesn't it? At least people have opportunities in a capitalist system, it's just lost its way a bit in the last couple of decades. A fairer balance is needed rather than relying on the "invisible hand".
Serfdom ? That's not what I'd say is a better way but universal wage might make a better world or even no money at all. The greed for money is pitiful it's stopping humans moving forward and improving ourselves.
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08-10-2017, 05:44 PM
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Serfdom ? That's not what I'd say is a better way but universal wage might make a better world or even no money at all. The greed for money is pitiful it's stopping humans moving forward and improving ourselves.
Well when the march of the bots takes over we may well end up with a universal wage and the fall of capitalism as a system. The bots will do everything for us and we will just have a life of leisure....
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08-10-2017, 07:19 PM
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That doesn't appeal either but another system needs to be found because this capitalism works for so few and not for the greater number.
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Bet you were dying to say `For the few, not the many`
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Apparently TM and the scumbag 'nasty party' are losing their popularity even more, and these statistics were taken even before May's disasterous conference speech, which should give comrade Jeremy an even bigger lead.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7988166.html


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...future-cartoon

Oh, you make me smile UJ. I only had to look at the two rags where your information came from to ignore it.
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Bet you were dying to say `For the few, not the many`
Nah but I do occasionally want to say resistance is futile
 
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