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Re: Barmier: "The EU will not move one millimetre"

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If you check again you will see that I said the "don't know" leave voters, those who were not sure whether to vote leave or remain and decided to vote leave only after reading the media reports of a wonderful £350m extra a week for the NHS etc. I personally know more than one person in this situation. They were not obsessed with Brexit or remain, now they feel let down.
Apart from the 'more than one' (two?) people you know, how many people do you think voted to leave if they 'didn't know'?

I would argue that if they 'didn't know' they wouldn't have voted.
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I'm ignoring the impact of the potential bot revolution, any war that might break out and affect us. Any disruption to our largest geographically proximate market (the EU) We are currently in a very favourable economic situation and have stability in our partner trading nations. It's not likely to get any better.
No, indeed. It is likely to get a lot worse unless we leave. Another Fourth Reich.
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Re: Barmier: "The EU will not move one millimetre"

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Apart from the 'more than one' (two?) people you know, how many people do you think voted to leave if they 'didn't know'?

I would argue that if they 'didn't know' they wouldn't have voted.
There were quite a large proportion of undecideds. The estimate by the press a couple of weeks before was a third of voters. These were the ones targeted by the very aggressive and persuasive press campaigns. I have a journalist friend who said that these campaigns were well funded by people standing to gain financially from leaving.
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Re: Barmier: "The EU will not move one millimetre"

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No, indeed. It is likely to get a lot worse unless we leave. Another Fourth Reich.
We would never have been a part of such plans. We had our opt outs. We are not schengen, we are not euro, we would not be part of further integration. It's in your words our "crap" politicians who were not doing things properly here.
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Re: Barmier: "The EU will not move one millimetre"

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There were quite a large proportion of undecideds. The estimate by the press a couple of weeks before was a third of voters. These were the ones targeted by the very aggressive and persuasive press campaigns. I have a journalist friend who said that these campaigns were well funded by people standing to gain financially from leaving.
Is it at all possible that there was also a large proportion of 'undecideds' who voted to remain?

The ones targeted by the very aggressive and persuasive Europhile press campaigns.

It's no good, Annie. I have heard so many arguments from other remainiacs and have yet to hear any concrete evidence to support them.
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Re: Barmier: "The EU will not move one millimetre"

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We would never have been a part of such plans. We had our opt outs. We are not schengen, we are not euro, we would not be part of further integration. It's in your words our "crap" politicians who were not doing things properly here.
I'll agree with that bit.
Christ, I agreed with you Annie....
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Re: Barmier: "The EU will not move one millimetre"

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Is it at all possible that there was also a large proportion of 'undecideds' who voted to remain?

The ones targeted by the very aggressive and persuasive Europhile press campaigns.
The remain campaign was totally rubbish and led by Cameron who was the worst person to advocate anything anyone would vote for. I have my suspicions he's actually pro-leave anyway.


The balance of those undecideds voted leave because the others were accounted for.
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Re: Barmier: "The EU will not move one millimetre"

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I'll agree with that bit.
Christ, I agreed with you Annie....
Let me go check if it's a blue moon outside - oh I see it is indeed! That explains it
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Re: Barmier: "The EU will not move one millimetre"

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The remain campaign was totally rubbish and led by Cameron who was the worst person to advocate anything anyone would vote for. I have my suspicions he's actually pro-leave anyway.


The balance of those undecideds voted leave because the others were accounted for.
As I said, I have yet to see any concrete evidence of your assertions, probably because you haven't any.

Have you?
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Re: Barmier: "The EU will not move one millimetre"

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As I said, I have yet to see any concrete evidence of your assertions, probably because you haven't any.

Have you?
what assertions? The third of undecideds? It's all in press reports in the days leading up to the vote if you care to check. They were doing infinitesimal surveys and stats every week. That's why they didn't know how the vote would go, because there were so many undecideds.
 
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