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12-09-2017, 09:54 AM
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Comrade Corbyn Fails . . . Again !

It seems the duplicitous Corbyn's leadership is in the gutter as once again his Labour MPs figuratively stick 2 fingers up at him and defy the whip.

A few months ago at the Queen's Speech some 50 Labour MPs lead by Chuka Umunna defied the whip and tabled the motion to stay in the Single Market. They were standing up for what they believed in, something Corbyn has allegedly done throughout his own career.

However the duplicitous Marxist immediately set about sacking his MPs for having the gall to question his authority.

A couple of months later he does a complete UTurn on BrExit and suddenly now supports staying in the Single Market.

Is it any wonder that Labour MPs want rid of the old goat?!

Now the school children have once again told the haugty head master to go jump off a cliff.

Comrade Corbyn had ordered his MPs to reject the Tory Repeal Bill for BrExit in an act of pure anti democracy and total disregard for the spoken wishes of the electorate.
It was shameful.

Quite rightly, once again, a number of his Labour MPs rebelled and told him to put it where the sun don't shine.

13 Labour MPs refused to support him (abstained) and 7 more voted the Repeal Bill through.

The Tories, even without winning their government majority at the election, successfully got the Bill through 326 votes to 290 against.

What will the despicable Corbyn and Momentum Loonies do now? Will they set about sacking the 7 MPs ?

This party is an absolute national disgrace and in a complete and utter mess.

Corbyn HAS to go and soon otherwise Labour have no chance even winning the election in 2022 !

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ate-vote-live/


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12-09-2017, 10:19 AM
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You support the present Fascist government that wants to circumvent Parliament and rule through an executive committee then do you?
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12-09-2017, 10:22 AM
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Hi

This piece of legislation is hugely important to leaving the EU.

The wording of it does however need to be changed

In it's present format it allows any Government to change or introduce legislation without the need for Parliamentary approval.

To put it simply, a Totalitarian State.
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12-09-2017, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

This piece of legislation is hugely important to leaving the EU.

The wording of it does however need to be changed

In it's present format it allows any Government to change or introduce legislation without the need for Parliamentary approval.

To put it simply, a Totalitarian State.
And what situation do we have at present?!!

If the government and the monarchy can do something as massive as handing the country's sovereignty and justice sytem over to foreign powers without even so much as calling a referendum to give the people a say, then what precisely are you worried about?

The current corrupt Common Purpose elite have no care for the law or legislation or any perceived authority, they consider themselves beyond authority.

http://www.eutruth.org.uk/beyondauthority.html
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12-09-2017, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

This piece of legislation is hugely important to leaving the EU.

The wording of it does however need to be changed

In it's present format it allows any Government to change or introduce legislation without the need for Parliamentary approval.

To put it simply, a Totalitarian State.
Way I'm looking at it they need to vote it through to get us out but we can change the bits we need to at the next reading. I hope I've got that right ?
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12-09-2017, 01:01 PM
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I suggested a time limit on this legislation elsewhere on here, isn't that possible ?

It is a tool to get things done now, and shouldn't be left open for abuse at some later date.
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12-09-2017, 01:07 PM
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That's a good idea bruv. Because doesn't matter who is the leading party this has to be done. That's what's annoyed me with labour they would have done it too !
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12-09-2017, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruv ->
I suggested a time limit on this legislation elsewhere on here, isn't that possible ?

It is a tool to get things done now, and shouldn't be left open for abuse at some later date.
Hi

A time limit would not really solve the problem due to the huge amount of legislation involved.

Everything from Employment Law, Pension Rights down to how often Takeaways are inspected.

If they did a 1000 Statutory Instruments a year they would still be going in ten years time.

To my mind, what is required is a series of new Parliamentary Select Committees with the power to insist that any proposed changes are put before Parliament for approval if they deem that necessary.

Some things would sail through, but others are quite important.
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12-09-2017, 03:18 PM
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The fascist bastards are trying to take control away from Parliament, revolution is the answer.
Marching boots are being dubbined and the scythes need sharpening!
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13-09-2017, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

A time limit would not really solve the problem due to the huge amount of legislation involved.

Everything from Employment Law, Pension Rights down to how often Takeaways are inspected.

If they did a 1000 Statutory Instruments a year they would still be going in ten years time.

To my mind, what is required is a series of new Parliamentary Select Committees with the power to insist that any proposed changes are put before Parliament for approval if they deem that necessary.

Some things would sail through, but others are quite important.
You are of course correct and being thoroughly rational Swim as ever. The problem though is the sheer scale of the number of pieces of legislation that need to be altered, amended or repealed. One estimate puts the total number of "bits" to be amended at 80,000 !

If we were to have a situation where every one of those changes had to go through parliament and be scrutinised and voted on, we would all be dead by the time the job was done and consequently would never leave the EU.

There thus must be a level of pragmatism here. We have little choice but to give the government a degree of trust and freedom to do what is needed without years of obstruction and red tape. It's the only practicable way the job will get done.

If the government subsequently starts engaging in bad practice, passing bad laws and abusing that trust and power then the people will have to vote it out and insist on amendments to those laws and regs.

So on that basis I am very pleased that the Withdrawal Bill went through yesterday.

In the final analysis, only the most naïve would truly believe we live in a democracy anyway. Given that our corrupt politicians, and parliament and the monarchy were able to fraudulently and illegally sell the country's sovereignty and justice system down the river to the EU in the first place, without even consulting the UK people and giving them a referendum on the issue, I can't get too worried about little bits of EU legislation being rewritten.

Those in power clearly have no regard for democracy or the British Constitution. We must first properly detach ourselves from the EU, a beast we simply can not control, and then we must set about getting our political system changed and install proper rulers. We may even need to abolish the monarchy given that it has failed in its most fundamental duty, to preserve the sovereignty of the UK.
 
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