14-06-2017, 08:41 AM
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Re: No Foreigners
Originally Posted by Julie1962
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Oddly last time you posted like this I told people about the marvellous jobs, people tried to get them but not one managed. It was all locals only or we bring in gangs from Europe or the adverts were for show and the jobs were not quite as advertised with starting wages that brought it below nmw. I'm not getting anyone's hopes up this time.
Really?
Just for show?
They are advertised nationally, the one I quoted is current, advertised yesterday.
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...3%3a00-05%3a00
Are you really saying the Government Job site is lying?
Here is another one, same company.
https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJ...1%3a00-05%3a00
Your friends really must be something special if they cannot get a job.
14-06-2017, 09:12 AM
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Re: No Foreigners
Originally Posted by Bruv
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Corbyn dangerous ? Who told you that ?Theresa May, The Daily Mail, The Sun ?
Oh well......no bias there then.
If it were not for the fact that he may be inclined to change the way we elct government so Labour would never be thrown out I would have said a dose of Labour might be good for this country. At least it would make sure a new generation would learn the lesson
14-06-2017, 09:28 AM
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Re: No Foreigners
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiIf that was the case, why does Labour not want to control Immigration?
As Andrew Neather, speechwriter for Blair wrote,
14-06-2017, 09:46 AM
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Re: No Foreigners
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiNobody should be worse off working than they would be on benefits, that I totally agree with.
I don't know for how long nowadays but years ago they did it for the first 6 months.
It would surely encourage more Brits here to find a job.
14-06-2017, 09:50 AM
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Re: No Foreigners
Originally Posted by Rainmaker
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When a political leader states that his objective is to bring down a legitimate elected government by voting against any of their proposed legislation, he's dangerous. You don't need the media to tell you that.If it were not for the fact that he may be inclined to change the way we elct government so Labour would never be thrown out I would have said a dose of Labour might be good for this country. At least it would make sure a new generation would learn the lesson
Actually, that's exactly what happens with the regular swing between Labour and Conservative.
Labour gets in: spend spend spend. The country builds up a large debt.
Conservatives get in: austerity in an attempt to reduce our debt. People don't like austerity.
Labour gets in...
and so it continues, back and forth.
Do we get anywhere?
No. Actually, we never reduce our debt overall.
Options:
1. Keep Labour in: we become like Greece, or worse.
2. Keep Conservatives in: we eventually reduce our national debt.
14-06-2017, 10:09 AM
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Re: No Foreigners
Originally Posted by JBR
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I have said the same myself.Actually, that's exactly what happens with the regular swing between Labour and Conservative.
Labour gets in: spend spend spend. The country builds up a large debt.
Conservatives get in: austerity in an attempt to reduce our debt. People don't like austerity.
Labour gets in...
and so it continues, back and forth.
Do we get anywhere?
No. Actually, we never reduce our debt overall.
Options:
1. Keep Labour in: we become like Greece, or worse.
2. Keep Conservatives in: we eventually reduce our national debt.
14-06-2017, 10:45 AM
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Re: No Foreigners
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiIf you just increase wages and employment costs, the price of goods goes up, unless you increase productivity.
Productivity, with one or two notable exceptions, is our big problem.
I simply cannot agree about youngsters wanting to do all jobs, at least not around here.
This is an advert for a line worker
Pay rate of £8.42 per hour plus 15% Day Shift Allowance which equates to an annual salary of £19,385.08.
Company Pension
24 days holiday entitlement (including bank holidays and public holidays)
Formal and informal learning and development opportunities
Heavily discounted staff shop
A progressive working environment that puts its people at the heart of what it does
No formal qualifications required.
4 days on, 4 days off, loads of overtime available.
Good quality housing is cheap, so is the cost of living.
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/deta...84a4cylDoX9.97
We have trouble recruiting locals for this type of work.
Good Quality housing is cheap, so is the cost of living ?? Who are they trying to recruit ?
Would that mean they are advertising out of the country ?
Maybe you are not up to scratch on the schemes and fiddles the companies play on ,in the rest of the country. I can assure you people are doing 12 hour shifts, 7 days on 7 days off, but on their 7 days off they are required to do overtime. So they might end up doing 7 days on and then have to work on their 7 days off.
The young people here would do those jobs . University graduates stacking shelves in supermarkets, my own son with a degree in Philosophy cleaned toilets, he also did gardening, grass cutting for council properties. I know a teacher who cleaned the streets. Obviously, certain areas must consider themselves too good to do those jobs, but on a national basis it happens. Mums would do fruit picking throughout the summer, take their children with them . It's pure fallacy to think that we don't do those jobs. I've worked in a bank but I've also washed dishes in cafes and waited on people in restaurants. We are all capable of such jobs and don't need foreigners to do them for us.
More wages does mean higher costs, but that depends what you spend your money on. It could well affect those who eat out, and travel , because it's the lower paid sector who suffer , not those who work for the utility sector, or the councils, for example, with an already decent wage.
14-06-2017, 11:38 AM
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Re: No Foreigners
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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Swim, it sounds good on paper, but when you take 4 days on and 4 days off, how many hours is that ? Plenty of overtime ! That obviously means they aren't recruiting enough staff to cover the job. Good Quality housing is cheap, so is the cost of living ?? Who are they trying to recruit ?
Would that mean they are advertising out of the country ?
Maybe you are not up to scratch on the schemes and fiddles the companies play on ,in the rest of the country. I can assure you people are doing 12 hour shifts, 7 days on 7 days off, but on their 7 days off they are required to do overtime. So they might end up doing 7 days on and then have to work on their 7 days off.
The young people here would do those jobs . University graduates stacking shelves in supermarkets, my own son with a degree in Philosophy cleaned toilets, he also did gardening, grass cutting for council properties. I know a teacher who cleaned the streets. Obviously, certain areas must consider themselves too good to do those jobs, but on a national basis it happens. Mums would do fruit picking throughout the summer, take their children with them . It's pure fallacy to think that we don't do those jobs. I've worked in a bank but I've also washed dishes in cafes and waited on people in restaurants. We are all capable of such jobs and don't need foreigners to do them for us.
More wages does mean higher costs, but that depends what you spend your money on. It could well affect those who eat out, and travel , because it's the lower paid sector who suffer , not those who work for the utility sector, or the councils, for example, with an already decent wage.
They are not advertising outside the UK, they advertise on the Government Jobsites.
Four on, four off is 30 hours for a five day week.
As it says you also get a company pension scheme and a permanent job.
I am obviously unaware of the schemes that you quote, we do not have then round here, not that I know of anyway.
Overtime?
Well fresh food factories work on call down from the supermarkets, they staff for the average, not the maximum, that would be stupid.
They cannot get people to travel from Stoke for these jobs, Stoke being 30 mins away by car.
You may have done these other jobs, so did I, times have changed.
I genuinely believe that people should work for a living, many do not.
If we are to lose foreign workers, that is fine, but we need to get our own working.
14-06-2017, 08:09 PM
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Actually being 'on the dole' pays much less than employment , benefits are not nearly so much as the media makes it out to be and most people would rather be in work than have every bit of their private details gone into in order to claim..You cant just take people off the dole and put them into work,you have to assess first what they are capable of doing,someone who is good manually would be no good in an office or with banking,vice versa.I see no one answered my query on whether you benefited from European workers sometime in your life ?.
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