01-12-2016, 08:42 PM
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Re: Article 50
Originally Posted by Flicker
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You cannot in international law "declare a treaty null and void".A treaty is between at least TWO countries and BOTH have to agree to cancel it.
Further you are forgetting that the UK form if democracy is a REPRESENTATIONAL DEMOCRACY which assumes that the MP's speak for the people and the people speak through them.
If Parliament agreed to the 5 treaties it is the same as the people agreeing IN LAW unless you have a referendum...which is not binding.
The accession of all the treaties was lawful because they were approved by Parliament.
The "law" does not override the fundamental UK constitution nor Common Law nor the Declaration Of Rights and all the rest.
A treaty that was put in place without due process is not a treaty.
If you enter into a deal with someone to sell my house then your fictitious deal is null and void because the house is mine and you never involved me at any stage.
When people sell stolen cars to unsuspecting punters and it gets discovered, the "deal" you made to buy that car doesn't carry any weight whatsoever, it being utterly fraudulent in the first place. The car is taken of the poor punter who loses all his money.
02-12-2016, 09:59 AM
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Of course the law can override any previous law, principle or right.It does so all the time in landmark cases...such as changes in abortion law, human rights and cases concerning prejudice and freedom of speech.
If it didn't we would still have the Magna Carta and only the aristocracy could vote.
The Treaty that took the UK into the EU was agreed by the Constitution of the UK and reflected the ancient principle of REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY . It was ratified by large percentage of the people in a referendum about two years later.
The decision BTW has ensured the prosperity of the UK for the last 70 or so years.
02-12-2016, 11:26 AM
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Re: Article 50
HiIrrespective of Cameron's mistake in not making the Referendum legally binding, the two biggest Political Parties have stated that they will accept the decision.
That being the case. out we go.
The SNP, led by Nicola. are determined to stop Brexit.
If she carries on like this, she will be doing a great disservice to Scotland.
The Barnett Formulae is a gift of Parliament, it can be removed easily, which would effectively bankrupt Scotland.
02-12-2016, 11:35 AM
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Sturgeon cares only about Scotland becoming independent. BRexit is just a tool, an opportunity that she feels will help her achieve that independence.Had this issue of Independence not been present, hoards of Scots would have voted to Leave the EU and the BRExit majority would have been massive compared to the 52-48 that we saw.
02-12-2016, 11:52 AM
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Re: Article 50
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiIrrespective of Cameron's mistake in not making the Referendum legally binding, the two biggest Political Parties have stated that they will accept the decision.
That being the case. out we go.
The SNP, led by Nicola. are determined to stop Brexit.
If she carries on like this, she will be doing a great disservice to Scotland.
The Barnett Formulae is a gift of Parliament, it can be removed easily, which would effectively bankrupt Scotland.
That is why they get a vote.
02-12-2016, 12:11 PM
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Yes it will.And you have no idea what the result will be if the terms do not satisfy them as representatives of their constituencies.
They may say they agree with the leaving...but not the terms within that.
The same applies to the European Parliament which will also have a vote.
They all may agree or they may not.
The issue is not whether you CAN leave...the issue is on what terms. TO say you are leaving is not only shortsighted but indicates you are washing your hands of the really important conditions within which the UK continues to operate in the world.
Voting is the first very obvious step. The rest is what counts.
02-12-2016, 01:35 PM
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Re: Article 50
Originally Posted by Flicker
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Voting is the first very obvious step.
I'm really not interested.
To cure a cancer your irradiate the body. Doing so impacts parts of the body that were just fine, like the immune system. There follows a period of hardship, un-wellness, struggle but after comes the blissful freedom of being rid of the life-sapping, corrupt, stinking sceptic mass that was taking you to destruction.
So it is with the UK and the EU.
You are a boil that is being lanced, a tumour that has plagued the body of the UK for too long and become a seething mass of stinking corrupt megalomaniacal bureaucrats hell bent on destroying the sovereignty, nationality and identity of peoples from a diverse set of countries in order to establish your own rule, your own power, your own army and a ruthless totalitarian police state where all our freedoms would be lost.
Whatever the EU set out to be, it is clear that it is no longer that. It has failed, utterly and totally, has been infiltrated, usurped by the usual suspects and now has an entirely different and evil agenda. Consequently the EU is very rightly collapsing before our eyes.
We will go back to first principles and never again be fooled by the stealthy machinations of the pyramid scheme elitist Common Purpose and Freemasonry.
02-12-2016, 04:04 PM
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I am not at all riled.I am profoundly saddened that just over 50% of the UK is so easily gulled and used by politicians when they keep saying this was a reaction to used by politicians.
You couldn't make it up!!
The rest of the insults I will ignore. They come from Another Place where it is generally accepted that if you vote to throw yourself off a bridge, it doesn't matter what is underneath.
I (reasonably I think) want to cross it and carry on.
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