09-05-2018, 05:21 PM
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Re: Trump pulls out....
Originally Posted by Muddy
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This might work many of the Iranian people are fed up with their oppressive regime -and it is brutally oppressive .Although goodness only knows how they will do it.
Iran is the region's chief destabiliser and terror sponsor and maintains proxy fighters such as Hezbollah
Of course with nutcase sympathisers such as Mr Corbyn and co
And the usual anti Israel suspects the world assumes that they are really not really bad guys .
But the are and these sort of regimes only respect one thing strength .( otherwise they would have wiped Israel from the pages of time long ago )
Maybe Trump can swing it.
I could not disagree more.
ISIS are the main danger, not Iran.
The Iranians and Russia and the Kurds have effectively wiped out ISIS when we where prating about for years.
Iran is no danger to the UK at all.
They are a danger to Israel, but that is not our fight.
ISIS are a danger to the UK, so Iran are our friends in that respect.
The danger to the UK is Radical Muslims, supported by Saudi.
Iran hates them and kills them at every opportunity.
The more they kill, the fewer get back here to the UK to commit Terrorist Attacks.
That does it for me.
09-05-2018, 06:39 PM
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They burnt the American flag in parliament and chanted "Death to America"Not the words or actions of anyone wanting peace really is it?
They hate the Americans and always have. Not surprising they've pulled out imo.
They stated they will now up the manufacture on enriched uranium. There never was any restrictions on the manufacture of icbm's / nuclear capable missiles.
It would not surprise me at all if they've been working on a nuclear programme behind the scenes despite the agreement.
Doesn't the agreement say they have to have advanced warning / notice of any inspections? Gives them time to cover up any evidence doesn't it.
Whether we should be interfering in the ME is another matter, but imo they can't be trusted to stick to the agreement, and I doubt they are.
That whole part of the world is a gathering of fanatical loons.
09-05-2018, 07:21 PM
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HiThe Iranians simply cannot hit the UK with their missiles.
They can however make a complete mess of Israel.
They simply do not have the technology to develop Nuclear Warheads capable of being fitted to their long range missiles.
North Korea has the geology to hide things, Iran does not.
Not our fight, keep out.
09-05-2018, 08:04 PM
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Re: Trump pulls out....
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThe Iranians simply cannot hit the UK with their missiles.
They can however make a complete mess of Israel.
They simply do not have the technology to develop Nuclear Warheads capable of being fitted to their long range missiles.
North Korea has the geology to hide things, Iran does not.
Not our fight, keep out.
Anyway, I'm talking about the agreement and if they've stuck to it. I doubt they have, and that's why the US have pulled out.
I agree it's not our fight though. The whole world should just leave the ME to it and let them wipe themselves out.
We can't though, due to the black gold.
09-05-2018, 08:13 PM
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Re: Trump pulls out....
Originally Posted by fender
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They burnt the American flag in parliament and chanted "Death to America"Not the words or actions of anyone wanting peace really is it?
They hate the Americans and always have. Not surprising they've pulled out imo.
Especially if you believe you have the right to defend yourself.
Look how we were when Obama stuck in his two penneth opinion over whether we should vote to stay in the EU?
We as good as told him to butt out. Who the hell did he think he was.
Tis quite right ... there never were any restrictions on the manufacture of ICBM's but before Trump withdrew from the deal he did press for some 'fixes' to encourage him to remain. As no else agreed with him he opted to withdraw from it.
One was that missiles were to be included .. and that instead of trying to slow Iran's nuclear capability down by an estimated 10 or 15 years .... the block on them ever managing to attain them would become indefinite... forever, eternity.
Not sure how it's even feasible to even suggest that.
Doesn't the agreement say they have to have advanced warning / notice of any inspections? Gives them time to cover up any evidence doesn't it.
As far as I'm aware Iran have complied with the deal .. it is Trump who has reneged on it.
Have all the other ME countries declared a holiday from military development? I doubt it. They all hate each other's guts. Each one is trying to steal a march and a military advantage upon their neighbours .. and the neighbourhood there is damn rough.
For the true enforcement of peace in that region should the West demand to go into every single country with weapons inspectors?
09-05-2018, 08:19 PM
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Re: Trump pulls out....
Originally Posted by fender
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Says who Swims?Anyway, I'm talking about the agreement and if they've stuck to it. I doubt they have, and that's why the US have pulled out.
I agree it's not our fight though. The whole world should just leave the ME to it and let them wipe themselves out.We can't though, due to the black gold.
Lovely thought innit.
09-05-2018, 08:45 PM
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Has Iran stuck to the agreement though Morty?That's the point I'm trying to make. Even you said you would not be surprised if they're working on a nuclear programme behind the scenes, which perhaps makes the agreement a waste of time?
Burning the flag and chanting death to America is just so very 80's - seen it all before.
Maybe I'm simplifying it too much?
I think Trump pulled out as he quite simply thinks they are not sticking to the agreement - so what's the point in continuing?
Perhaps he sees the whole thing as just smoke & mirrors?
Dunno, maybe I need to do more research.....
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