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10-03-2018, 05:51 PM
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Britain could leave the Bloc and do things better!

The following is from David Maddox of the Daily Express, yesterday Friday 9th March 18.


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Ministers are ready to walk away from Brexit talks if Brussels continue to play hardball, it was claimed yesterday. A senior Cabinet source has revealed a plan for a "no deal" scenario are well advanced.

The Minister added that the UK "will do things better than the EU and will compete with them" if we leave without a specific deal in place.

The revelation comes as a string of chief executives from EU countries took part in Brexit discussions at Downing Street yesterday.

The meeting with Theresa May comes amid reports that industry chiefs in Germany "are beginning to panic" that the European Commission's Brexit tactics will lead to Britain walking away from talks, damaging their biggest export market for cars.

The minister told the Daily Express "We have taken a polite approach and tried to be as reasonable as possible, but in the end, we have the means to compete and outdo the EU.After all, we are the Worlds fifth largest economy, and speak the language of business. Some of us would have liked us to have been more upfront with this before and shout louder that we are ready to compete, but we have taken a reasonable, diplomatic approach and there are good reasons for that. We will do things better than the EU and will compete with them". "If they do not let us join their agencies, we are ready to set up our own but make them better and turn them into the international standard". "That won't be difficult".


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Well,at least someone is showing that they have faith in realising that Britain has the capability to run our own affairs. If remoaners don't like that notion, EUtopia is only 22 miles away!
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10-03-2018, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
The following is from David Maddox of the Daily Express, yesterday Friday 9th March 18.


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Ministers are ready to walk away from Brexit talks if Brussels continue to play hardball, it was claimed yesterday. A senior Cabinet source has revealed a plan for a "no deal" scenario are well advanced.

The Minister added that the UK "will do things better than the EU and will compete with them" if we leave without a specific deal in place.

The revelation comes as a string of chief executives from EU countries took part in Brexit discussions at Downing Street yesterday.

The meeting with Theresa May comes amid reports that industry chiefs in Germany "are beginning to panic" that the European Commission's Brexit tactics will lead to Britain walking away from talks, damaging their biggest export market for cars.

The minister told the Daily Express "We have taken a polite approach and tried to be as reasonable as possible, but in the end, we have the means to compete and outdo the EU.After all, we are the Worlds fifth largest economy, and speak the language of business. Some of us would have liked us to have been more upfront with this before and shout louder that we are ready to compete, but we have taken a reasonable, diplomatic approach and there are good reasons for that. We will do things better than the EU and will compete with them". "If they do not let us join their agencies, we are ready to set up our own but make them better and turn them into the international standard". "That won't be difficult".


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Well,at least someone is showing that they have faith in realising that Britain has the capability to run our own affairs. If remoaners don't like that notion, EUtopia is only 22 miles away!
I've never doubted what this country is capable of. We are ready to reach new heights of amazingness .......
The Remainers will be fine. They learnt how to exploit the system and getthe best for themselves from EU membership. They'll do the same post -Brexit. They have the selfish gene!
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11-03-2018, 07:42 AM
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Hi

We stated that we were leaving these Agencies because they are under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

Our choice and the Medicines Agency is moving from the UK.

We now want to stay in them, I despair of our Government.
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11-03-2018, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

We stated that we were leaving these Agencies because they are under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

Our choice and the Medicines Agency is moving from the UK.

We now want to stay in them, I despair of our Government.
The Brexiteers have to have someone to blame, they can't lose face and admit it's their fault for voting leave, which could never have a good outcome for the UK.

So they choose to quit these Agencies, bragging about a brave new Brexit Britain, independent of the ECJ rulings, then whinge and blame the EU for not letting them stay in.

More of it to come. The Brexiteers will blame everyone but themselves for the disaster Brexit will inevitably be.
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11-03-2018, 09:29 AM
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Well,at least someone is showing that they have faith in realising that Britain has the capability to run our own affairs. If remoaners don't like that notion, EUtopia is only 22 miles away!
Oh gawd, here we go again, the old Brexiteer refrain:

"....if you don't like the way we're ruining your country, you can always move to the EU"

No chance, this is my country as much as the Brexiters and I intend to stay right here and fight against Brexit, the Brexiteers and Brexiteer thinking and ideology. If all the Remainers and liberals left, it would just give you free hand and heaven help our country then.

Of course Britain has the capability to run our own affairs and the best way to do that is to stay in the EU with all of it's advantage, co-operate with our friends, allies and closest neighbours over trade and with access to the agencies already in existence, changing them from within if need be.

Not dumping our allies believing we'll do better elsewhere, leaving us having to beg trade around the world with anyone who'll have us, regardless of their human rights records a, envronmental policies etc.

And trying to set up rival agencies. If the EU agencies are a good thing, why try to destroy them by setting up your own in a fit of pique because the EU won't let you have your cake and eat it?
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11-03-2018, 10:30 AM
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The problem is these so called allies want to take over, they are not satisfied with being friends and neighbours they want to take total charge.

If they were just friends and close allies that would be perfect but they don't want that.
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11-03-2018, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by twizzle ->
Oh gawd, here we go again, the old Brexiteer refrain:

"....if you don't like the way we're ruining your country, you can always move to the EU"

No chance, this is my country as much as the Brexiters and I intend to stay right here and fight against Brexit, the Brexiteers and Brexiteer thinking and ideology. If all the Remainers and liberals left, it would just give you free hand and heaven help our country then.

Of course Britain has the capability to run our own affairs and the best way to do that is to stay in the EU with all of it's advantage, co-operate with our friends, allies and closest neighbours over trade and with access to the agencies already in existence, changing them from within if need be.

Not dumping our allies believing we'll do better elsewhere, leaving us having to beg trade around the world with anyone who'll have us, regardless of their human rights records a, envronmental policies etc.

And trying to set up rival agencies. If the EU agencies are a good thing, why try to destroy them by setting up our own in a fit of peak becuse the EU won't let us have our cake and eat it?
Hi

We have very different views about Brexit.

My only complaint about it is Tory infighting and incompetence.

We are not setting out to destroy EU Agencies at all, they are very good ones and will easily survive without the UK,especially as UK staff are staying with them.

It will however take us several years to setup our own and attract the requisite experienced and certified staff.
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11-03-2018, 11:09 AM
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Re: Britain could leave the Bloc and do things better!

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

We stated that we were leaving these Agencies because they are under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

Our choice and the Medicines Agency is moving from the UK.

We now want to stay in them, I despair of our Government.
Swimmy I heard a discussion by a number of scientist saying the Medicines Agency is outdated anyway with its concentration on pharmaceuticals.
Leaving the EU gives us the opportunity to set up something better with a higher concentration on biomedical science which is seen as the future of medicine by many and in which we are leaders in the field .
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11-03-2018, 12:24 PM
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Re: Britain could leave the Bloc and do things better!

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

We have very different views about Brexit.

My only complaint about it is Tory infighting and incompetence.

We are not setting out to destroy EU Agencies at all, they are very good ones and will easily survive without the UK,especially as UK staff are staying with them.

It will however take us several years to setup our own and attract the requisite experienced and certified staff.
If they are very good, why not stay with them and the EU that created them. Is your so called "self determination" which will be an illusion anyway, really worth all this pain, cost and inconvenience?

Not only will it take many years for you Brexiters to set up your own, it will take even longer for the rest of the world to acknowlege them, if they ever do. What's the incentive when there are perfectly good EU ones already in place, even if the Brexiter ones are as good, (which I doubt they would be)
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11-03-2018, 12:27 PM
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No serious consideration has or is being given to a hard Brexit. Meaning leaving next year with no agreements.

If a serious examination of the economics was done any responsible government would back-away in earnest.

Consider yourselves for a moment what leaving the EU without a deal actually means.

It means no agreement period on any of the outstanding issues because everything is interlinked. Everything so far agreed is conditional on the final legal text agreement. No agreement means nothing, nada, zilch.

No agreement on citizen rights
Hard border for Ireland
Expats in Europe without status or healthcare since these things are conditional and bi-laterally agreed because of EU membership status.
Collapse of Sterling
Massive inflation on imported goods in UK
Recession in UK due to trade agreements reverting to WTO rules.

It will take the UK years and years to emerge from a hard Brexit, to renegotiate trade deals with the rest of the world and advantages cut both ways for countries. Most other countries would know the UK was on the back foot and desperate to cut deals and the vultures will hover.

Even seriously considering a Brexit without a deal is unthinkable and potentially as catastrophic for the UK as WW11.

.....and incidentally leaving next year without an agreement will be a major government failure. That failure is almost certain to bring the current government down. A Labour victory is then very likely.
 
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