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19-03-2018, 10:21 AM
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Re: Britain could leave the Bloc and do things better!

Originally Posted by twizzle ->
But if what they are inside is the type of person who can support Brexit ideology, how can you possibly like them? Politics isn’t just whimsy, it’s about your core values and principles as a person. How can you like and respect someone who doesn’t share your core values and principles? It’s shallow to be prepared to overlook such basis differences to maintain a “friendship”
It's grown up to overlook differences of opinion to maintain a friendship. If I dumped my friends every time we had a different opinion I wouldn't have any friends. It's human nature to have differences. I don't blame my friends who voted brexit, I blame Cameron for misleading everyone.
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19-03-2018, 10:26 AM
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Maybe a yawn & snoozy one combined JB.
Just insert into any Twizz post - job done.......
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19-03-2018, 10:33 AM
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I disagree.

Britain joined the EEC not the EU so you are wrong there.

The EU is a completely different organisation.

A few states, as you put it, amounts to over 250.

The Britain that joined the EEC was a different economic model dominated by nationalised industries and trade unions.

The UK that's leaving is a much fitter, leaner and more dynamic economic entity.

An adage you need to consider as you look in to your crystal ball of doom is......

There Is Nothing To Fear.......Except Fear Itself
I completely agree.

All of these prophets of doom will have egg on their faces after we have left.

We all know it will take time to get things in order, but I am aware that there are countries already making overtures toward us about setting up trade deals.

It is now all in the hands of our politicians. May is dithering - it's what she does best - but even she realises that if she doesn't deliver the Brexit that the majority voted for her party will be out of government at the next GE. She, like every sane person, knows that the alternative - Compo the Clown and the Loony Party - is unthinkable.
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19-03-2018, 11:20 AM
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But if what they are inside is the type of person who can support Brexit ideology, how can you possibly like them? Politics isn’t just whimsy, it’s about your core values and principles as a person. How can you like and respect someone who doesn’t share your core values and principles? It’s shallow to be prepared to overlook such basis differences to maintain a “friendship”

It depends mostly on what you actually regard ‘friendship’ to be. I don’t see you could have a deep and affectionate relationship with someone who does not share your own basic values in life.

However I see it is possible to maintain superficial acquaintance with people you disagree with. It also might depend on how important you regard politics and friendships to be.

Politicians for example fight violently with each other in public then go for a drink together afterwards. However real ‘friendships’ in political life are a rare bird indeed.

Depends on the person of course but for me real friendship takes years of nurturing and can stand the impact of any disagreements.

Even Brexit support.
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19-03-2018, 11:26 AM
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All of these prophets of doom will have egg on their faces after we have left.

It is not 'doom' to explain what the likely impact of Brexit could be and the risks involved.
The ForeX markets understand how entirely negative a no deal Brexit will be for the UK economy. Sterling has structurally lost about 20% of it's fair value since the referendum.

Would you bet on a potential loser? I doubt it and neither will they.

Just as no lawyer would allow you to complete a major deal without a legally binding contract, so it would be equally reckless for businesses to scrap their contingency plans until they have a similar level of assurance.”

James Stewart KPMG.
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19-03-2018, 12:50 PM
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Hi

So much for EU Solidarity.

Germany has said the poisoning is a metter for the UK and Russia, not for them.
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19-03-2018, 03:06 PM
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Nothing new there Swimmy. Merkal cannot be seen to individually back the enemy.....

It's the same with Fishing and the enemy within...

.Just been reading this in the Daily Express online from 2 days ago...

LABOUR BETRAYAL! MEP's SURRENDER AND VOTE FOR EU....

Labour party MEPS have been accused of betraying the UK's national interest after they helped defeat a motion in the European Parliament aimed at protecting UK fisheries.... The anti-Brussels Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy (EFDD) Group tabled a motion to the Framework of the future EU-UK relationship Bill that aimed to protect the UK from being forced into accepting a deal to give EU fishers access to UK waters.

However, the Labour party were whipped into rejecting the proposal.

in a furious response to the socialist party's actions, the EFDD acccused Labour MEP's of voting against amendments which "undoubetedly served the British national interest".

Interim Ukip leader, and EFDD member, Gerard Batten said: "The European Commission is demanding an unconditional surrender and the Labour party have replaced the red in their flag with white!".
"It seems Labour MEPs have forgotten who they represent. They were elected to serve the British interest, not the interest of the unelected Eurocrats. Millions of their supporters voted to take back control and the Labour party have just snatched it away again".

The amendment would have given the UK control over who would be allowed to fish in British waters.
With the resolution rejected, the EU Parliament have now declared they support the suggestion that EU fishers must be allowed access to UK waters after Brexit as a demand for any free trade agreement with the Brussels bloc.

The proposed resolution stated: The EU Parliament deplores and rejects the suggestion by the European Council that a future free trade agreement with the UK must involve continued access for EU vessels.

UNQUOTE

So nothing surprises me Swimmy. And neither does the fact that I still believe our poor Fishing communities will be betrayed once again by being used as a bargaining chip for another trade gain. Screwed on the way in, screwed on the way out. Ruth Davies has just today said that she will not back any trade deal that involves the betrayal of our fishing industry. Good for her!.
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19-03-2018, 04:47 PM
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Nothing new there Swimmy. Merkal cannot be seen to individually back the enemy.....

It's the same with Fishing and the enemy within...

.Just been reading this in the Daily Express online from 2 days ago...

LABOUR BETRAYAL! MEP's SURRENDER AND VOTE FOR EU....

Labour party MEPS have been accused of betraying the UK's national interest after they helped defeat a motion in the European Parliament aimed at protecting UK fisheries.... The anti-Brussels Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy (EFDD) Group tabled a motion to the Framework of the future EU-UK relationship Bill that aimed to protect the UK from being forced into accepting a deal to give EU fishers access to UK waters.

However, the Labour party were whipped into rejecting the proposal.

in a furious response to the socialist party's actions, the EFDD acccused Labour MEP's of voting against amendments which "undoubetedly served the British national interest".

Interim Ukip leader, and EFDD member, Gerard Batten said: "The European Commission is demanding an unconditional surrender and the Labour party have replaced the red in their flag with white!".
"It seems Labour MEPs have forgotten who they represent. They were elected to serve the British interest, not the interest of the unelected Eurocrats. Millions of their supporters voted to take back control and the Labour party have just snatched it away again".

The amendment would have given the UK control over who would be allowed to fish in British waters.
With the resolution rejected, the EU Parliament have now declared they support the suggestion that EU fishers must be allowed access to UK waters after Brexit as a demand for any free trade agreement with the Brussels bloc.

The proposed resolution stated: The EU Parliament deplores and rejects the suggestion by the European Council that a future free trade agreement with the UK must involve continued access for EU vessels.

UNQUOTE

So nothing surprises me Swimmy. And neither does the fact that I still believe our poor Fishing communities will be betrayed once again by being used as a bargaining chip for another trade gain. Screwed on the way in, screwed on the way out. Ruth Davies has just today said that she will not back any trade deal that involves the betrayal of our fishing industry. Good for her!.
I see no point in discussing any deals with the EU. They are not going to agree anything that might be of benefit to us.

We must just walk away. They will come running soon enough; the German car makers and French cheese makers will see to that!
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22-03-2018, 10:05 AM
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Re: Britain could leave the Bloc and do things better!

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I'm sure, laughter is often used as defense against truths people don't want to hear. And I doubt if you enjoy many laughs in a week unless they are over mocking and judgemental put downs.

Are you really so arrogant that you can't think for a monent that the next generation might do a better job than you? Or so insecure that that you have to mock and put them down, in case it's true?
Can you post without being insulting?
All I read from you is offensive crap with no solid arguments.
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22-03-2018, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JBR ->
I see no point in discussing any deals with the EU. They are not going to agree anything that might be of benefit to us.

We must just walk away. They will come running soon enough; the German car makers and French cheese makers will see to that!
Hi

Just walking away is not an option.

Hence our plea for a Transition Period.

We are simply not ready to walk away, we lose not only our Trade with the EU but with 40 odd other Countries and agreements with 30 others, including Open Skies.

The EU will not come running, neither will the others.

They are all after a Competitive Advantage.

That is the real World.

WTO Rules are strict,most favoured nation status.

We could put zero tariffs on Japanese and Korean Cars.

Under WTO Rules, we would also have to put zero tariffs on EU Cars,Audi, VW, BMW,Citroen, Peugeot, Skoda etc.

They are under no such obligation to put zero tariffs on our cars.

They can still put Tariffs on cars manufactured here.

We can abolish Tariffs on Wine and Cheese, but under WTO Rules, we must abolish them on any producer, including the EU.

We simply cannot threaten the EU, that is a fallacy.
 
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