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it was about class. The Irish were the underclass in Northern Ireland.
Which Irish? The Catholics or the Protestants?

And whoever it was, what was the practical situation?

Saying the word 'underclass' explains nothing.
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I have often wondered who supports sinn Fein in NI?
Let's face it the aim of sinn Fein is the end of NI.
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14-03-2017, 08:25 PM
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It was never about religion. That was just a smokescreen.

Not really. When Henry VIII broke from Rome (the Reformation) he saw Ireland, being a Catholic country, as a threat and a possible ally to Spain and France who could use Ireland as a base for an invasion. Matters came to a head after an Irish revolt in 1534 which tried to rally the Irish to create a Catholic crusade against a Protestant king. The first time that the two religions clashed.

The revolt was swiftly put down and Henry declared himself king of Ireland. As part of his attempted reformation in Ireland, Protestant settlers were given lands taken from the Irish natives. In later years, many came from Scotland (hence the harsh NI tongue).
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Not really. When Henry VIII broke from Rome (the Reformation) he saw Ireland, being a Catholic country, as a threat and a possible ally to Spain and France who could use Ireland as a base for an invasion. Matters came to a head after an Irish revolt in 1534 which tried to rally the Irish to create a Catholic crusade against a Protestant king. The first time that the two religions clashed.

The revolt was swiftly put down and Henry declared himself king of Ireland. As part of his attempted reformation in Ireland, Protestant settlers were given lands taken from the Irish natives. In later years, many came from Scotland (hence the harsh NI tongue).
So religion, then, as I said.

I see no difficulties in the unification of north and south in Ireland. There is freedom of religion now in both parts of Ireland, so why couldn't both parts live under the same government?

Of course there will always be disagreement between different religions just as there always has been. A separate Northern Ireland didn't preclude that, did it?

I'd be interested in hearing Annie's response.
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Which Irish? The Catholics or the Protestants?

And whoever it was, what was the practical situation?

Saying the word 'underclass' explains nothing.
You know what I mean by the Irish. I've worked with someone who looked down on her own Irish Grandmother. She was from NI and considered herself British. You can call it tribal for want of a better word.
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As part of his attempted reformation in Ireland, Protestant settlers were given lands taken from the Irish natives. In later years, many came from Scotland (hence the harsh NI tongue).

Yes and these settlers have never seen themselves as Irish. Those I've met look down on the Irish. If the two groups had equal status I don't think there would have been such a vicious hatred between the two sides.
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You know what I mean by the Irish.
OK, I can only assume it's the majority of people who live in Eire and Northern Ireland.

If I have that wrong, I'd be grateful if you could explain.
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Yes and these settlers have never seen themselves as Irish. Those I've met look down on the Irish. If the two groups had equal status I don't think there would have been such a vicious hatred between the two sides.
Do they look down on them because they are Irish or because they are Catholics?
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Do they look down on them because they are Irish or because they are Catholics?
Because they are Irish. Most of these people aren't even religious. It's only in the last 20 years that Irish jokes stopped being the fashion in England. I don't recall anyone making jokes about Catholics.
 
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