26-10-2017, 11:38 PM
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Re: Teaching Brexit
Originally Posted by Moscow
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Universities can be as Independent as they like if they are not taking public money.If they are taking public money they have to adhere to the values of the society they are sponging off. Therefore I put society's values of an unbiased, balanced and freethinking space for students to explore all issues fully over the Universities independence to indoctrinate them to support their self interested and indulgent political outlook.
And you really should stop winding yourself up about mobs of Brexiteers as the only mobs I've seen are those pathetic groups of Remoaners waving EU flags outside Westminster.
It doesn't matter where the funding comes from. The funding pays for a service. The service is not a public service but a service from an independent organisation. The State has very limited influence in this situation unless they officially change the law and impose the type of nazi-esque or stalin-esque controls you would like to see. As it stands as far as I can see they don't have to adhere to anything they don't want to. They have their own culture and rules. If they didn't have public funds they'd do very well thank you very much.
I'm not wound up thank you very much because I am not part of the mob of brexiteers baying for blood and heads on sticks. Nor did I go to any remain demo. Still not sure why them having a demo winds leave voters up so much.
26-10-2017, 11:41 PM
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Re: Teaching Brexit
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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Not entirely sure as to what "independent" means. Oxford was, is and never will be "independent" in the truest sense, having being established for religious and thus political direction. A leopard can never change its spots.
Not state controlled.
26-10-2017, 11:54 PM
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Re: Teaching Brexit
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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The World wars happened because Europe was not united, the way some would like to see it again. Prior to cooperation between nations we had constant warfare since Europe was formed. Europe is now united but many here want to go back in time.The French are hardly irrelevant. They have left their mark on half the planet just as Britain did. Unlike us they have huge influence in the EU, influence that we should have had, but we could not be bothered.
Mccarthyism is an appropriate metaphor for what has happened in the university witch-hunt. Are you saying leave voters are xenophobic?
The search for "communists" in the US was simply an appeasement for those who were antipathetic against those who felt that the Judaic modus operandi of capitalism and industrialism as described by Adam smith was wrong.
26-10-2017, 11:55 PM
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Re: Teaching Brexit
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Not state controlled.
27-10-2017, 01:14 AM
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Re: Teaching Brexit
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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Dream on. The state created it and moreover it created those who create the state.
27-10-2017, 01:20 AM
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Re: Teaching Brexit
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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No "state" as we understand it today created Oxbridge, but yes it still creates those who are the state.
Ignorant, nevertheless.
27-10-2017, 01:21 AM
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Re: Teaching Brexit
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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Europe has never been united. A brief recollection of the nature and war among states/countries/"royal" families etc clearly demonstrate this. The relatively recent attempt to synthesize between different greedy cultures, with the somewhat obvious and inexorable failures, is a clear indication of this.The search for "communists" in the US was simply an appeasement for those who were antipathetic against those who felt that the Judaic modus operandi of capitalism and industrialism as described by Adam smith was wrong.
The underlying reasons for McCarthyism are irrelevant. The analogy is appropriate. Substitute with the Spanish inquisition, the Salem trials, or any other paranoid persecution by zealots trying to stamp out dissent.
27-10-2017, 01:22 AM
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Re: Teaching Brexit
Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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In perpetuity. Alas, having worked for/under those who have been taught (note I avoid the word "educated!), my conclusion remains the same. Self righteous and ignorant indoctrinated but vocally and in written form "plausable".Ignorant, nevertheless.
27-10-2017, 01:40 AM
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Re: Teaching Brexit
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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So you'd happily see Oxbridge destroyed because of past resentments?
Oxbridge people naturally have great memories and indeed can often think in ways laterally that most of us can't (or indeed don't need to). Good luck to them and I'm very happy for them, and indeed watching University Challenge etc am envious at time of them.
But, that doesn't mean that they're ultimately any more right in their views nor solutions to abstract moral stances than you, I, nor anyone else. One has only to youtube differing opinions from such fellows to recognise the contradiction of the point
The problem seems to be that their memory, ability to expound a view and way of thinking is considered "superior" by the populace.
In short, their view is no better nor worse than anyone else's. But there is a stance by them is that they have a more profound and thus superior ability to decide on all things and the illusion is that "we" fall for it.
27-10-2017, 07:44 AM
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Re: Teaching Brexit
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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The World wars happened because Europe was not united, the way some would like to see it again. Prior to cooperation between nations we had constant warfare since Europe was formed. Europe is now united but many here want to go back in time.The French are hardly irrelevant. They have left their mark on half the planet just as Britain did. Unlike us they have huge influence in the EU, influence that we should have had, but we could not be bothered.
Mccarthyism is an appropriate metaphor for what has happened in the university witch-hunt. Are you saying leave voters are xenophobic?
Europe seems far from united and the only organisation that has kept the peace in Western Europe is Nato.
France is irrelevant on the world stage and only has influence in Europe thanks to its German puppet master.
France has always hated the Anglo-US dominated World and will do anything to reduce its influence. It sees Brexit , the Eastward expansion of the EU, full integration and an EU Army as a chance to do that.........The success of that project scares the hell out of me.
Your comparison of an Mp,s reasonable request to McCarthyism is an overreaction of epic proportions and I ask you.....What do the Academics have to be so coy about??
Your last sentence re: xenophobes makes no sense in relation to my statement I'm afraid, go re-read!!
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