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21-06-2018, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ffosse ->
I've had 2 different types of cancer.
Of course. That's how it usually is. They treat the first cancer that comes along, agressively with radiation and chemo and all seems well until lo and behold a new different kind of cancer suddenly rears its ugly head. This outcome is EXTREMELY common. As I write, my sister, who had cancer and ran off for all the usual treatment, came through, thought all was well and good for a few years, is now back on the conveyor belt because another cancer has appeared. It's all so very predictable. These treatments have an appalling success rate. On a personal basis I would NEVER EVER plug myself into that system. I would use the products of nature to combat any cancer and I already do so to prevent it becoming an issue in the first place, realising as I do that we are all going to be attacked with cancer during our lives at some point.

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At all stages of my treatment it was explained to me why certain procedures were necessary to make me better, why each drug was needed.
I'm sure they did, just as a mechanis would lift the lid of your car bonet, shake his head and tell you all the things that needed doing to it and the reasons why. Unless you are a mechanic, you can't tell whether it's the truth or not. In the context of cancer, people are hugely frightened, helpless and will just follow whatever advice they are given. I completely understand that. It's a desperate time and people need support. Unfortunately we are conditioned to run straight to the medical industry. No alternatives are presented to us. So unless we've done our research and found the truth, options are limited.

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I can't believe that they have a cure for cancer just yet.
Fair enough, your choice. The stuff I talk about is difficult to take on board I appreciate that. It takes time. We've all been caught in the "Matrix" of programming and conditioning since childhood. You can only do what feels right for you.
10 years ago I would have been the same. But I have since learned many truths, done much research and made my choices accordingly. GL to you.
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21-06-2018, 11:50 PM
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My friends tried the type of cures you mention Realist. But the reason it isn't mainstream is that they simply don't work except in maybe one in a million.

Cancer is still a death sentence, once you have it you can never assume to be cured for life. Some are lucky in that they die of something else first, but it's like rust. Chemo is not a cure, it's a way to prolong life until the cancer returns.

What do you think of the HPV vaccination?
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21-06-2018, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
Of course.
I'm sure they did, just as a mechanis would lift the lid of your car bonet, shake his head and tell you all the things that needed doing to it and the reasons why. Unless you are a mechanic, you can't tell whether it's the truth or not. In the context of cancer, people are hugely frightened, helpless and will just follow whatever advice they are given. I completely understand that. It's a desperate time and people need support. Unfortunately we are conditioned to run straight to the medical industry. No alternatives are presented to us. So unless we've done our research and found the truth, options are limited.
One of my friends has seen her cancer returning after being in remission for two years. She was warned it would, the type she has it's lucky she is still with us. But I don't know how you can advocate a non medical cure for fluid on the lungs and being unable to breathe. She had to have a horrible procedure to stop the cancer getting into the lungs. But there's no way an onion bandaged to her leg would have had the same results.
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21-06-2018, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
My friends tried the type of cures you mention Realist. But the reason it isn't mainstream is that they simply don't work except in maybe one in a million.
That's my opinion too.

Think about it. Why can't you get thermography on the NHS? Look at NHS web sites. Do you see any mention of thermography?

I wonder why.

Predictably, Realist will assure us that it is something to do with 'big pharma'.
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22-06-2018, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
One of my friends has seen her cancer returning after being in remission for two years. She was warned it would, the type she has it's lucky she is still with us. But I don't know how you can advocate a non medical cure for fluid on the lungs and being unable to breathe. She had to have a horrible procedure to stop the cancer getting into the lungs. But there's no way an onion bandaged to her leg would have had the same results.

I am sorry to hear about your friend Annie, how awful, poor woman.

I think this thread has become more and more bazaar, and quite frankly - very wrong.
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22-06-2018, 12:35 AM
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I've only just found out this week Mups I'm just lucky she is still around, fabulous lady who still manages to look glam & keep smiling despite it all. I am always optimistic but sadly I don't think she will live long because she has a rare cancer that by it's nature is hard to locate until you have symptoms.
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22-06-2018, 05:41 AM
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For all those who are suffering from cancer & concerned about Realists conspiracy theory, this may be interesting for you!

The first specialist cancer hospital, in Britain, was The Christie and it was based in the outskirts of Manchester. Back in the early 60's I saw it and it looked a bit like a prefabricated, white scout hut. In those days, if you went into that hospital, the only way out was in a coffin! However people still believed that , one day, it would be possible to find new treatments and that is when the research was started.

Over the years many charitable donations were given, in the hope of finding cures, and today the Christie is an enormous hospital that still only treats cancer. On average they have a 50% success rate, and many of those who don't survive are usually down to late discovery of the cancer.

Seven years ago, I was treated by the Christie & have now been cured. They tell me that the reason they are now so busy is because so many people are surviving & the outpatients clinics are full to overflowing as they need to check them regularly to ensure, for a minimum of 5 years, that it does not return!

What is cancer?
There is a potential for everybody to get cancer, because it is cells that mutate & these cells double at twice the rate of normal cells.... therefore forming tumours that grow so fast that they prevent normal body functions.

They are often caused by our lifestyles, so Realists natural potions may help in stopping the cells mutating, but they won't cure it once it has started!

Of course Pharmaceutical Companies make money from their products, but they do need to recoupe the billions of pounds they have spent on research.

For those who choose to believe the conspiracy theories, it is your life so your choice, but for those who are unsure, I would say that I had Chemo, surgery & radio therapy and there has been no trace of cancer for the last 7 years.

Sometimes a mutant cancer cell can travel, via your blood or lymphatic system, to another part of your body. That is how people get secondary tumours & why the hospital check you for so many years after your treatment!
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22-06-2018, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JBR ->
Think about it. Why can't you get thermography on the NHS? Look at NHS web sites. Do you see any mention of thermography?
It's because the NHS is merely a puppet for the wider bodies that control it and who mandate all of the protocols and pathways of treatments. At this time, their etablished protocol is to put women through regular mammography breast screening, a process which INDEPENDENT and highly respected research bodies have now proven beyond doubt is both harmful and useless in what it professes to achieve.

They have gotten away with it for many years, but the cat is well and truly out of the bag now and as a result the NHS WILL without question, change it's protocols in this area. It will be a reluctant change as their protocols are established for reasons (for profit) but as the rest of the world is accepting the irrefutable data and making changes, then the UK and the NHS will have absolutely no choice but to follow suit.

Pharma and their owned health services try to cover things up for as long as they can. They put pressure on people who try to expose what is going on, they spend millions putting out misinformnation, engaging in PR campaigns to promote their treatments and doing their level best to label any opposition as "conspiracy theory". It's an old hat approach but it's what these corporations do.

You WILL in time have to accept that you have been wrong JBR along with your wife. Mammography has caused more harm than good and is a useless tool for what it tries to achieve. When the NHS either ditch it completely or change it to supplement it with thermography and/or ultrasound your position on this will be wholly untennable. I hope at that point you will be humble enough to concede the argument. It is what it is.

Part of the issue with thermography screening is that it has been patented (a US patent). That means lots of money is involved and thus the NHS and it's controllers will be reluctant to take it up until they are literally forced and strong armed to. They will continue with the useless and harmful mammography until the point is reached where enough people are aware of what has been going on and there is enough of a public outcry that they can no longer continue with it. The research and factual evidence came out in 2014, 4 years ago. The clock is ticking. If they carry on much longer they will be open to all manner of lawsuits which will be exacerbated by the fact that they've known for 4 years that their screening is harmful and useless and have carried on regardless. Change is coming. It is utterly inevitable.
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22-06-2018, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mups ->
I think this thread has become more and more bazaar, and quite frankly - very wrong.
I agree. It's becoming a bit like a jumble sale - gerrit?
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22-06-2018, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Twink55 ->
For all those who are suffering from cancer & concerned about Realists conspiracy theory, this may be interesting for you!

The first specialist cancer hospital, in Britain, was The Christie and it was based in the outskirts of Manchester. Back in the early 60's I saw it and it looked a bit like a prefabricated, white scout hut. In those days, if you went into that hospital, the only way out was in a coffin! However people still believed that , one day, it would be possible to find new treatments and that is when the research was started.

Over the years many charitable donations were given, in the hope of finding cures, and today the Christie is an enormous hospital that still only treats cancer. On average they have a 50% success rate, and many of those who don't survive are usually down to late discovery of the cancer.

Seven years ago, I was treated by the Christie & have now been cured. They tell me that the reason they are now so busy is because so many people are surviving & the outpatients clinics are full to overflowing as they need to check them regularly to ensure, for a minimum of 5 years, that it does not return!

What is cancer?
There is a potential for everybody to get cancer, because it is cells that mutate & these cells double at twice the rate of normal cells.... therefore forming tumours that grow so fast that they prevent normal body functions.

They are often caused by our lifestyles, so Realists natural potions may help in stopping the cells mutating, but they won't cure it once it has started!

Of course Pharmaceutical Companies make money from their products, but they do need to recoupe the billions of pounds they have spent on research.

For those who choose to believe the conspiracy theories, it is your life so your choice, but for those who are unsure, I would say that I had Chemo, surgery & radio therapy and there has been no trace of cancer for the last 7 years.

Sometimes a mutant cancer cell can travel, via your blood or lymphatic system, to another part of your body. That is how people get secondary tumours & why the hospital check you for so many years after your treatment!
Excellent post.
 
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