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12-05-2018, 08:14 PM
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Re: Wind Farms.

Here are some more points of view 'Against':


1. The wind is inconsistent, unsteady and unpredictable.

2. Wind power is not cheap and like many energy sources, rely on government subsidies to remain competitive.

3. Wind farms are generally located in rural areas that might be otherwise picturesque. They are considered by some people to be an eyesore.

4. Some people complain of noise from the turbines.

5. Wildlife impact. Not only birds, but bats have experienced fatalities.

6. Localized impact on night-time temperatures and weather.
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12-05-2018, 08:31 PM
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Re: Wind Farms.

"1. The wind is inconsistent, unsteady and unpredictable."

Always some wind somewhere. When it does blow, it's free energy so who cares? Just site the turbines where wind is known to be reasonably consistent.

"2. Wind power is not cheap and like many energy sources, rely on government subsidies to remain competitive."

Wind is free. The turbines cost money of course as does their maintenance. The government wraps this stuff up with subsidies and makes the equipment cost prohibitive to keep us dependent on fossil fuels to get the profits rolling in.
If you gave individual towns/villages the option of setting up their own wind turbines to power just themselves, not the grid, things would be different.

"3. Wind farms are generally located in rural areas that might be otherwise picturesque. They are considered by some people to be an eyesore."

Whilst that is true these people are "Vicar of Dibley" numpties with no sense of the big picture. They're all about Women's Institute baking and having the right country vestments. Most likely they grumble about the cost of fuel and the EU but when it comes to making the UK self-sufficient in terms of energy they are clueless and largely ignorant. We need lots more solar and wind power. And the next leg of it all, heat pumps is coming soon.

"4. Some people complain of noise from the turbines."

NIMBYs. They come up with anything they can. My own parents who live in a country village opposed planning for wind turbines. Came up with all the usual nonsense. Eyesore, noisy, kill birds, frighten horses. Just a bunch of "Vicar Of Dibley" idiots. They could have had their entire village powered freely by wind turbines if they had an ounce of nouse about them.

"5. Wildlife impact. Not only birds, but bats have experienced fatalities."

How many more are killed by other animals. Birds of prey killing other birds, cats, car impacts etc ?


All of the excuses are just the big energy moguls spreading misinformation and propaganda to keep themselves in clover.

We HAVE to end the age of fossil fuels and put to rest the fuel moguls.
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12-05-2018, 08:46 PM
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Re: Wind Farms.

As I suggested earlier, the closure of coal-fired power stations and, of course mines, should not have happened so soon.

Quite apart from that, if we are talking about alternative power sources, why not more investment in tidal power generation?

Unlike the wind, tides are constant and predictable. So why not make use of them?
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02-06-2018, 07:01 AM
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Re: Wind Farms.

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

We are now generating more and more of our electricity this way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43576226

OffShore wind is now cheaper than Nuclear,with none of the problems of disposing of the waste.

I am all in favour of it, it reduces our reliance on others.

What do you think?
Variability is, I think, the main constraint in getting it to match our on demand expectations.
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02-06-2018, 08:18 AM
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Re: Wind Farms.

Wind generates at about 20% efficiency.

Tidal generation studies around N Scotland and IoW. Portugal has a working generation using tidal.
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02-06-2018, 09:13 AM
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Re: Wind Farms.

I think wind turbines are rather majestic. There is a farm of about 60 on the way to Canberra. I think Coober Pedy had one to supplement its diesel generator (I might be muddling it up with another remote town) though it wasn't working last time I was there.

They are springing up all over the place, with them, gas, batteries and solar, coal stations are not being replaced because they have become too expensive even with our Luddite government.


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02-06-2018, 09:24 AM
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Re: Wind Farms.

Originally Posted by Dobra ->
Wind generates at about 20% efficiency.

Tidal generation studies around N Scotland and IoW. Portugal has a working generation using tidal.
Yes, tidal power is far more reliable and predictable than windmills.
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02-06-2018, 12:41 PM
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Re: Wind Farms.

Originally Posted by Realist ->
"1. The wind is inconsistent, unsteady and unpredictable."

Always some wind somewhere. When it does blow, it's free energy so who cares? Just site the turbines where wind is known to be reasonably consistent.

"2. Wind power is not cheap and like many energy sources, rely on government subsidies to remain competitive."

Wind is free. The turbines cost money of course as does their maintenance. The government wraps this stuff up with subsidies and makes the equipment cost prohibitive to keep us dependent on fossil fuels to get the profits rolling in.
If you gave individual towns/villages the option of setting up their own wind turbines to power just themselves, not the grid, things would be different.

"3. Wind farms are generally located in rural areas that might be otherwise picturesque. They are considered by some people to be an eyesore."

Whilst that is true these people are "Vicar of Dibley" numpties with no sense of the big picture. They're all about Women's Institute baking and having the right country vestments. Most likely they grumble about the cost of fuel and the EU but when it comes to making the UK self-sufficient in terms of energy they are clueless and largely ignorant. We need lots more solar and wind power. And the next leg of it all, heat pumps is coming soon.

"4. Some people complain of noise from the turbines."

NIMBYs. They come up with anything they can. My own parents who live in a country village opposed planning for wind turbines. Came up with all the usual nonsense. Eyesore, noisy, kill birds, frighten horses. Just a bunch of "Vicar Of Dibley" idiots. They could have had their entire village powered freely by wind turbines if they had an ounce of nouse about them.

"5. Wildlife impact. Not only birds, but bats have experienced fatalities."

How many more are killed by other animals. Birds of prey killing other birds, cats, car impacts etc ?


All of the excuses are just the big energy moguls spreading misinformation and propaganda to keep themselves in clover.

We HAVE to end the age of fossil fuels and put to rest the fuel moguls.


I love the sight of them, majestic!
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05-06-2018, 11:10 PM
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Re: Wind Farms.

Originally Posted by Dobra ->
Wind generates at about 20% efficiency.
Efficiency isn't really an issue if the source is free.
Variability is. On a calm, dark night you rely on conventional sources.

Until we have utility scale storage wind will remain a minority contribution.

Storage is key.
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05-06-2018, 11:14 PM
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Re: Wind Farms.

Originally Posted by Besoeker ->
Efficiency isn't really an issue if the source is free.
Variability is. On a calm, dark night you rely on conventional sources.

Until we have utility scale storage wind will remain a minority contribution.

Storage is key.
Tidal is more predictable and reliable. As an island, I'm surprised we don't invest more in tidal energy.

Perhaps there's a reason I'm not aware of.
 
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