09-03-2017, 02:40 AM
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Re: Down The Rabbit Hole
Originally Posted by Pumicestone
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Fill the bloody thing in. The Templars were fanatical savages.Can't imagine too many Muslims would celebrate the find.
"Genetic memory" could, in small part, explain some of today's radicals.
Note, I said "explain" - not excuse or justify.
Here is another picture of the inside of the caves. Looks very much like the 'devil's chair' (and well worn). The caves have been used for Black Magic , but the 'chair' would seem to be a lot older than 20th century carving. There again who knows ? Lots of witches in Shropshire toooooo !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/shropshire/feat...ls_chair.shtml
and this looks like a sacrificial something or other...
09-03-2017, 06:20 AM
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Re: Down The Rabbit Hole
Hmmmmmmmmm................So, are these existing natural caves which have been enlarged? Or are they "rooms" which have been cut in situ. What rock is that? The walls look fairly vertical, and where they join the floor there's a slight gap, as if they're sitting on the floor.
Hasn't it rained in Shropshire for 700 years? Must have, yet there's no signs of flooding of the "caves", no water stains anywhere, no crumbling, no dark discoloured damp or fungus or mold. If these rooms are only a metre below the surface, how has that metre of topsoil stayed put for 700 years? It's soil which is apparently soft enough for rabbits to dig warrens into. No lintel supports for the "arches"? Why, (and how), would you "carve" arches if you've already carved a "cave"? How do you carve "around" a hole to leave columns and arches behind? Were the columns carved in situ, or placed later? If carved, how did the ceiling stay up while the columns were being carved? If placed later, how do you carve an open space into solid rock while leaving enough rock to act as columns? ? Why does the rock look "polished" and smooth if it's soft enough to be hand carved by 700 year-old tools? And why would you polish it anyway?
I must be missing something.
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09-03-2017, 07:28 AM
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Re: Down The Rabbit Hole
Originally Posted by JimmyC
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Hmmmmmmmmm................So, are these existing natural caves which have been enlarged? Or are they "rooms" which have been cut in situ. What rock is that? The walls look fairly vertical, and where they join the floor there's a slight gap, as if they're sitting on the floor.
Hasn't it rained in Shropshire for 700 years? Must have, yet there's no signs of flooding of the "caves", no water stains anywhere, no crumbling, no dark discoloured damp or fungus or mold. If these rooms are only a metre below the surface, how has that metre of topsoil stayed put for 700 years? It's soil which is apparently soft enough for rabbits to dig warrens into. No lintel supports for the "arches"? Why, (and how), would you "carve" arches if you've already carved a "cave"? How do you carve "around" a hole to leave columns and arches behind? Were the columns carved in situ, or placed later? If carved, how did the ceiling stay up while the columns were being carved? If placed later, how do you carve an open space into solid rock while leaving enough rock to act as columns? ? Why does the rock look "polished" and smooth if it's soft enough to be hand carved by 700 year-old tools? And why would you polish it anyway?
I must be missing something.
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Loads of dry caves here in Shropshire, some of them were lived in for several hundred years, until 1930.
Some have been converted recently.
A selection of photos of the caves around Bridgenorth.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=br...w=1280&bih=638
09-03-2017, 07:59 AM
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Re: Down The Rabbit Hole
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiLoads of dry caves here in Shropshire, some of them were lived in for several hundred years, until 1930.
Some have been converted recently.
A selection of photos of the caves around Bridgenorth.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=br...w=1280&bih=638
Interesting.
09-03-2017, 12:46 PM
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Re: Down The Rabbit Hole
Originally Posted by JimmyC
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Hmmmmmmmmm................So, are these existing natural caves which have been enlarged? Or are they "rooms" which have been cut in situ. What rock is that? The walls look fairly vertical, and where they join the floor there's a slight gap, as if they're sitting on the floor.
no signs of flooding of the "caves
would you "carve" arches if you've already carved a "cave"?
How do you carve "around" a hole to leave columns and arches behind? I must be missing something.
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It would have been back-breaking endless work just to progress 1 meter in so as you say, why would anyone bother excavating a an arched recess for decoration when you've spent years excavating a workable passage?
If the rock isn't hard but more sandy then why would you excavate most of it leaving a few columns and risk the whole thing collapsing?
The fact that this is supposed to be just 1 meter "underground" leads me to believe it wasn't underground at all but rather a construction above ground that was subsequently buried. However the pillars don't look like your average construction. They are not "bricks" or stones.
Neither are the columns stalactites or stalagmites that have grown naturally.
As you say, something is off here, but without actually being there and feeling the "rock" surface and seeing whether it's rock hard or muddy/clay etc one can't make a judgement.
09-03-2017, 12:50 PM
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I take it back. Looking at the pictures on the Metro site again it very clearly IS a construction. The walls and pillars ARE made of "bricks" or stones. You can clearly see the various horizontal lines of each brick course.So yes, I'm saying this was an above ground temple of some sort which was later buried naturally or deliberately. Probably the latter in order to allow the temple users to continue in secret.
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