Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

So you would deny aid to all those people in our dependant territories that have been devastated by Hurricane 'Irma' - Hmmm???

Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

Isn't this comment twisting things to make a political point?

Presumably, you are in favour of spending millions on India to help with their space programme as well?

Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

Then you presume erroneously!!!

Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

You're mistaken in your assumption. I'm not criticising the US for instigating the Marshall Plan or NATO. It's what led to the formation and continued encouragement of European unity and it is what has maintained peace in Europe all these years. But let's not pretend there was no self-interest. They created the scale of the problem in the first place by letting Stalin march to Berlin. European integration with US control of armed forces gave them both a really great market to trade with and power over their share of the spoils. US involvement did not cease in 1952.

If you don't believe me, here is an extract of Kennedy's speech in the Hall of Independence in 1962. If you don't believe the transcript there is also a tab to a video of him actually saying this :

"The nations of Western Europe, long divided by feuds far more bitter than any which existed among the 13 colonies, are today joining together, seeking, as our forefathers sought, to find freedom in diversity and in unity, strength.

The United States looks on this vast new enterprise with hope and admiration. We do not regard a strong and united Europe as a rival but as a partner. To aid its progress has been the basic object of our foreign policy for 17 years. We believe that a united Europe will be capable of playing a greater role in the common defense, of responding more generously to the needs of poorer nations, of joining with the United States and others in lowering trade barriers, resolving problems of commerce, commodities, and currency, and developing coordinated policies in all economic, political, and diplomatic areas. We see in such a Europe a partner with whom we can deal on a basis of full equality in all the great and burdensome tasks of building and defending a community of free nations. "

https://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Vie...2zaJbyPgg.aspx


"Acting on our own, by ourselves, we cannot establish justice throughout the world; we cannot insure its domestic tranquility, or provide for its common defense, or promote its general welfare, or secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. But joined with other free nations, we can do all this and more. We can assist the developing nations to throw off the yoke of poverty. We can balance our worldwide trade and payments at the highest possible level of growth. We can mount a deterrent powerful enough to deter any aggression. And ultimately we can help to achieve a world of law and free choice, banishing the world of war and coercion. "

Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

The arguments against foreign aid are partly misguided. The Marshall plan was foreign aid given by the US. One objective was to create a trading environment that they could benefit. For mutually favourable trading conditions you need countries that are developing to have stability and peace.

There is a democratic peace theory underpinning this that assumes countries that are democratic will become more affluent and peaceful. Unfortunately this theory cannot be applied to all countries as we have seen in the Middle east.

Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

Hi

You have obviously not read my previous posts where I have consistently argued against our current level of foreign aid.

It is utterly ridiculous that we are borrowing money to pay for it.

Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

You're right, Annie. The money we paid to subsidise that Nigerian girl pop group was indeed money well spent!

Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

I thought you realised that I like sarcasm!

Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

Well I can't comment on how sensibly the funding is managed or who makes such silly decisions!

I most certainly don't agree with massive amounts spent on foreign aid, but there is some economic justification that saving countries from disasters would benefit us in return. Plus for example contributing to something like Ebola containment or storm relief where UK investments may be affected makes sense. Our economic interests go beyond our borders. So I think they don't want to withdraw it because of Brexit rather than anything else.

Re: No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

There is no BrExit, there never was any BrExit. There is no intention to go through with it. They are buying time purely for the purpose of finding the best way to convince (read dupe) the masses that BrExit was always a bad idea and to convince us to accept it's reversal without that leading to revolution and civil war.

People are idiots and have been kept that way purposefully through a dedicated campaign of careful "education" and constant media disinformation and social conditioning.

The referendum was a desperate exercise by some to wake up the nation. To make them see that they don't live in a democracy at all and that those in power will continue to wield that power indefinitely whether we like it or not.

The drip feed of "Grima Wormtongue" spell talk has already begun. The old rogue Blair is already on the case, doing what he does, dropping in the notion that BrExit is a bad idea and that we will all come to our senses soon enough and then reverse it.

Wake up people because time is running out. There is no BrExit, there never was. You are going to be convinced through repeated brainwashing that BrExit is not good for the country, that we were all misinformed, that we didn't have the education or facts to make an informed decision. They are going to orchestrate "events" to convince you of this.

Don't wait for the sham to play out. Think now that BrExit will be reversed and ask yourself what you think about that. What does that actually mean? Does it matter that you live effectively in a sham democracy? Does it matter that your vote means absolutely nothing at all? Is it acceptable to live in what is effectively a totalitarian regime headed by the EU megalomaniacs? Does it matter that just about all of our mainstream politicians are nothing more than EU puppets?

What does that really mean to your life and that of your children?

Is this how human life is supposed to be lived?