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Susan m, I hope you really enjoy your holiday.. it surely will be a holiday of a lifetime.

@Longdogs . Did you go to Pinnawala Sanctuary ?

There are accounts that the elephants bathing in the river there, are chained to the bottom. Some of them into lying down position. It's not an elephant orphan sanctuary, it's just a money making project under a different name.
The swaying they do is psychosis brought on by stress, lack of space and unnatural conditions.

@Surfermom, thanks for your input. It's a terrible world we live with regard to animal cruelty. We can say now that certain areas in certain countries are becoming aware e.g. the bear bile farms in Asia. Although some are illegal the practice still continues. The same with bear baiting, particularly in the Soviet countries.
You probably know there are rescues being made all the time, and although as yet, most animals suffering are unable to be rescued due to various reasons such as practices being illegal and hidden away . Every rescue is one less animal suffering and a few more tears of happiness and relief shed.
Whilst I agree with your sentiments I feel it necessary to point out that swaying, although there is no final answer on this, the most agreed-upon answer by elephant specialists is that elephants sway to shift their weight and be more comfortable.
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16-01-2018, 12:27 AM
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Whilst I agree with your sentiments I feel it necessary to point out that swaying, although there is no final answer on this, the most agreed-upon answer by elephant specialists is that elephants sway to shift their weight and be more comfortable.
I've never heard of that given reason. Maybe moving from foot to foot as elephants seldom lie down , but the swaying of the head and the trunk from side to side is in all reports I have read ,due to stress and/or psychosis. Same with any or all caged animals. It's symptomatic with captivity and isolation.
Maybe you could let me know where you found that, I'd be interested.
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I've never heard of that given reason. Maybe moving from foot to foot as elephants seldom lie down , but the swaying of the head and the trunk from side to side is in all reports I have read ,due to stress and/or psychosis. Same with any or all caged animals. It's symptomatic with captivity and isolation.
Maybe you could let me know where you found that, I'd be interested.
It was an elephant sanctuary,,I think.

https://allaboutelephants.com/elephant-info
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I went on what was designated as a "Wildlife" holiday, organised by Saga, to Malaysia a few years ago. It was farcical, not only did we see practically no wildlife, but we were taken to an elephant sanctuary. We were shepherded in and they then brought out two elephants, shackled by all four legs, plus the obligatory 'orphaned' baby elephant. The adults were hosed down and we the public were invited to throw bananas to them. Another adult was brought in for the public to pay to ride on and be dumped in the nearby river.

Myself and members of our group were appalled, this was not conservation, but exploitation of the animals. We expected from all the hype that the holiday would show us true wildlife, not penned animals. They even took us to a museum of stuffed animals!

As a result of this disastrous holiday, other problems too numerous to mention here. We wrote a joint letter of complaint to Saga, whilst still in Malaysia, signed by us all. The holiday was withdrawn from their next brochure. I never travelled with Saga again.
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It was an elephant sanctuary,,I think.

https://allaboutelephants.com/elephant-info
Thanks Tpin.
It's a ranch, where they give rides and teach the elephants to paint Rembrants ! You can buy one if you wish. Elephants are really good at painting , they seem to have a natural ability and can do the same picture over and over and over again ! I really don't know who would be able to give them art classes when they posses such a natural flair.
I think their view on elephants swaying to transfer weight might be a bit loaded in their favour. BUT, I don't know because I haven't been there.

@ Cee Cee Thank you for your input. That is the opinion which comes across from many forward thinking people , who questions the how's and why's, rather than taking all things for their own pleasure and wearing blinkers.
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