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07-05-2018, 11:46 PM
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Re: Customs Union - just what is the problem?

Originally Posted by JBR ->
Are we really?

I see an eggy face appearing in the not too distant future!
Ah you must be looking in the mirror and imagining it then

Originally Posted by JBR ->
It's quite simple.

A legally binding referendum (whatever the remainiacs might claim) determined that we will leave the EU.

If that shouldn't happen for any reason, it will demonstrate that democratic decisions may no longer be relied upon to be honoured. Therefore the UK could be regarded as no longer a democratic nation.
Since when have democratic decisions been honoured? Give me an example of when you voted for a party and they did exactly what they promised.
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08-05-2018, 05:53 AM
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Hi

We cannot sign any Trade Deals, but we can negotiate them.

Liam Fox has promised we will sign them on the day we leave.

There is no chance of that happening now.

He said we would just replicate the existing ones by means of Technical Rectification.

The other Countries have told him to naff off and complaints have been made to the WTO.

China is not interested, India has said no chance unless we accept more Immigration from them.

The Referendum was to Leave.

It was not specified how we would Leave.

We have rejected the Norway Model, we have rejected the Swiss Model.

We are demanding a new Model, not surprising that the EU have said get lost

They have said we are bigger than you, we are the dog, you are the tail.

The tail does not wag the dog.

You said No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

Here is the deal, take it or leave it.

Other Countries know we will need Trade Deals, so we are on the back foot, they have the advantage, we do not.

In a nutshell, the Brexiteers have not delivered on a single promise.

They are hiding behind May, sniping at her all the time.

We could do better is their Mantra.

Time they took over and proved that they can do better and deliver on their promises.

Let Boris, JRM and Owen Patterson see what they can do.
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08-05-2018, 06:54 AM
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Swim that would be a disaster because even amongst themselves they do not agree on the way forward. Easy for them to heckle from the peanut gallery.

If the plan is to replicate the existing deals then why the heck are we not staying in the customs union? I can certainly see why there is such a push for it if that's the case. Of course countries will tell us where to go, we are not a big trading block, just one country.

There is a media push now for the customs union and there is a pro-immigration media campaign. In the past the media always wins with these issues. One day in the future children will have to learn about this fiasco as a dark time in our political history. Because we will end up in the EU in all but name without the power to influence. The best thing to come out of this is that David Davies is threatening to resign. Let's hope he is followed by others.
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08-05-2018, 08:31 AM
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Swim that would be a disaster because even amongst themselves they do not agree on the way forward. Easy for them to heckle from the peanut gallery.

If the plan is to replicate the existing deals then why the heck are we not staying in the customs union? I can certainly see why there is such a push for it if that's the case. Of course countries will tell us where to go, we are not a big trading block, just one country.

There is a media push now for the customs union and there is a pro-immigration media campaign. In the past the media always wins with these issues. One day in the future children will have to learn about this fiasco as a dark time in our political history. Because we will end up in the EU in all but name without the power to influence. The best thing to come out of this is that David Davies is threatening to resign. Let's hope he is followed by others.
A 'media push' is not democracy!!

Simple Question for Annie....Do you want your country run by the Rupert Murdoch, Lord Rothermeres and Richard Desmonds of this world ?......C'mon, get real !!!!!

The part of Brexit you focus on.....i.e the post Brexit trading relationship is only one part of the consequences of Brexit.

Not going down the road of EverCloserUnion is by far the true prize of Brexit.

And,FYI, We never truly influenced the EU when we were in it by stint of the fact the French/Luxembourgians/Belgians fear us and resent our Anglo influence and would always stymie us and push back against us!
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08-05-2018, 09:17 AM
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Re: Customs Union - just what is the problem?

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A 'media push' is not democracy!!
It's funny you should say that. Because that's exactly what I thought when we had the Brexit vote in 2016. Back then the push was for vote leave.

Originally Posted by Moscow ->
Simple Question for Annie....Do you want your country run by the Rupert Murdoch, Lord Rothermeres and Richard Desmonds of this world ?......C'mon, get real !!!!!
You need to get real if you think it isn't already.


Originally Posted by Moscow ->
The part of Brexit you focus on.....i.e the post Brexit trading relationship is only one part of the consequences of Brexit.

Not going down the road of EverCloserUnion is by far the true prize of Brexit.

And,FYI, We never truly influenced the EU when we were in it by stint of the fact the French/Luxembourgians/Belgians fear us and resent our Anglo influence and would always stymie us and push back against us!
That's fine about not going down the line of closer union. But there's nothing in being associate members of the customs union to force us to take part in the love in.

We are still in it. We didn't bother to influence the EU because of laziness. It was easier to let Germany run things. You make it appear so personal. It isn't.
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08-05-2018, 09:20 AM
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It's a fact that the UK has never been able to influence Europe. Take, for example, when Cameron tried to "renegotiate" with them before the referendum, he asked for virtually nothing and they sent him off with nothing but a flea in his ear. Just proves the intransigence and arrogance of the unelected "elite" that really rule the roost. Personally I want no part of it and while ever we are subject to any of their rules they will treat us with nothing less that the contempt they showed Cameron.
That's why it's such a bad idea.
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08-05-2018, 09:21 AM
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Re: Customs Union - just what is the problem?

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Not going down the road of EverCloserUnion is by far the true prize of Brexit.

And,FYI, We never truly influenced the EU when we were in it by stint of the fact the French/Luxembourgians/Belgians fear us and resent our Anglo influence and would always stymie us and push back against us!
Well said.

It is not about trade; it is about sovereignty.

And the Frogs - they are beneath contempt.

As the Scots have it: 'The Auld Alliance'.

As the English have it: 'The Old Enemy'.

The Frogs have been our enemy for many more years than they have been our friends, and even then it has been whenever they have been threatened and needed our help!
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08-05-2018, 09:38 AM
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Re: Customs Union - just what is the problem?

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it's a fact that the uk has never been able to influence europe. take, for example, when cameron tried to "renegotiate" with them before the referendum, he asked for virtually nothing and they sent him off with nothing but a flea in his ear. just proves the intransigence and arrogance of the unelected "elite" that really rule the roost. Personally i want no part of it and while ever we are subject to any of their rules they will treat us with nothing less that the contempt they showed cameron.
That's why it's such a bad idea.
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09-05-2018, 07:00 PM
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Re: Customs Union - just what is the problem?

Originally Posted by Barry ->
It's a fact that the UK has never been able to influence Europe. Take, for example, when Cameron tried to "renegotiate" with them before the referendum, he asked for virtually nothing and they sent him off with nothing but a flea in his ear. Just proves the intransigence and arrogance of the unelected "elite" that really rule the roost. Personally I want no part of it and while ever we are subject to any of their rules they will treat us with nothing less that the contempt they showed Cameron.
That's why it's such a bad idea.
Well said Barry.
As it happens, the above in bold became the tipping point / final deciding factor in me voting leave. The same with several other people I know. The utter contempt with which they treated Cameron may well have been their undoing. If they'd not have been so arrogant & smarmy, the vote may have just edged their way. Serves them bloody right.
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09-05-2018, 07:15 PM
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Re: Customs Union - just what is the problem?

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Well said Barry.
As it happens, the above in bold became the tipping point / final deciding factor in me voting leave. The same with several other people I know. The utter contempt with which they treated Cameron may well have been their undoing. If they'd not have been so arrogant & smarmy, the vote may have just edged their way. Serves them bloody right.
Hi

An excellent analysis.

Where we differ is this.

Cameron should not have asked, he should have just done it and told them to naff off.

Even tiny countries like Poland and Hungary do that and nothing happens to them.

The Austrians are even worse, they just totally ignore the EU.
 
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