27-03-2018, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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It's simple. I have explained before, it is the right to elect our government.We have no say in who is elected to the European Commission, which is where the real power lies.
27-03-2018, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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You seem to think brexit was a reflection on Ireland.It wasn't.
Britain has always had a special relationship with Ireland and that could continue.
27-03-2018, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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Absolutely, strip away one unaccountable level of dictatorship and then UK politicians have fewer hiding places.
How many layers of government do we need.
Just the one in Westminster, as far as I'm concerned.
27-03-2018, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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It isn't about financial benefit.27-03-2018, 10:23 PM
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Re: Brexit referendum, have you changed your mind?
Originally Posted by JBR
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It's simple. I have explained before, it is the right to elect our government.We have no say in who is elected to the European Commission, which is where the real power lies.
27-03-2018, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Yes that's as I thought. Absolutely no personal benefits for the average person on the street trying to make ends meet.
27-03-2018, 10:58 PM
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Re: Brexit referendum, have you changed your mind?
Originally Posted by Mountaintop
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The truth is you have a vote - for members of the European Parliament and in turn, government's votes for their member of the European Commission. Why is that so different from voting for your MP, whose interests will often be to the party whip, not to his local constituency, than a European wide election. Again, I say it, the EU is a force for good. This has been proven. European peace and prosperity is the result. Like everything else, people have this habit of knocking that which works. As I said before, time will tell. And what if you are wrong? What will you say? Sorry? Too late!
Yes, Britain has one member of the European Commission; a one in twenty-eight chance of making any difference.
I'd rather have ALL of our government elected by our own people.
Yes, it is a commonly held misunderstanding that the EU is the reason we have had peace in Europe for the past 70-odd years (well, apart from such things as the unrest in such places as the old Yugoslavia!).
The truth is that it is NATO that has kept the peace and not the EU for two quite simple reasons: firstly, the EU didn't appear until quite recently; secondly, the EU countries don't have very impressive armed services, even collectively. If it were not for the backing of the US, Russia could have walked across Europe virtually unopposed inside a couple of weeks!
27-03-2018, 11:18 PM
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Re: Brexit referendum, have you changed your mind?
Originally Posted by JBR
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In the short term, perhaps. But some of us can see beyond the end of our noses.
28-03-2018, 08:14 AM
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I’d vote Remain again, of course.But in some ways my position has changed since the referendum.
When I first considered the issues, I was about 60 to 40 in favour of Remain and did have some issues with the EU.
Since the result and having heard and seen the attitudes of many Brexiters, the complicated mess of the negotiations and the grim future that Brexit will condemn us to, my issues with the EU have paled into insignificance and I’m now 100% in favour of Remain.
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