23-06-2014, 10:30 PM
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I think you can be critical of individual GPs, consultants, nurses etc.. but you have a professional investment in the medical model. That's not meant as negatively critical and provides balance. I am overly-attached to the legal model having worked in law most of my life.I do not believe medical practitioners know my body better than I do, despite them studying 10, 12 or 14 years. From my experience of the NHS is that they do seem to operate from a position of one-size fits all -it doesn't.
Originally Posted by Pats
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I can only speak for myself Baxter I am sure Audrey is quite capable of speaking for herself.....but I am far from being blind or obsessive and I have even been known to be critical.
23-06-2014, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pumicestone
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I wonder whether said doctors agreed that they had been "corrected".Or whether they just groaned as the patient left thinking to themselves 'oh gawd, half-knowledge is such a dangerous thing'.
I certainly feel sorry for their patients who put complete faith in them.
23-06-2014, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Baxter8
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Of course we're all entitled to our opinions, I personally cannot share your faith in the medical profession and if anything is amusing in this thread it is your blind, obsessive desire to defend it. Seriously the world won't stop spinning on its axis if you were just a tiny weeny bit critical.I think the fact that there are so many alternatives to the standard medical model indicates that there is huge dissatisfaction with it.
Whilst I wouldn't go to a herbalist with a broken leg I would not seek an industrial pharmaceutical remedy for acid reflux but obviously respect anybody's right to do just that.
23-06-2014, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Baxter8
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From my experience of the NHS is that they do seem to operate from a position of one-size fits all -it doesn't.
24-06-2014, 01:19 AM
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I am under no illusion that the medicos are infallible. They are human for godsake. They err .... as do we all.BUT - one has only to look at the 'miracles' they perform daily.
Children who would previously have died, live long and healthy lives,
cancer victims DO often survive,
people with horrible wounds and burns are saved.
Many, many diseases have all but been eradicated etc etc etc.
Preventative medicine works in so many ways. Sight and hearing are often restored.
Longevity is today's bonus.
I have survived a life-threatening problem which I certainly would not like to have entrusted to the nay-sayers and wannabe health-gurus.
24-06-2014, 06:33 AM
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I see the glorification of the medical industry as the biggest problem. Of course individuals make errors - the problem is an entire industry fixated on a mechanistic view of the body, in my opinion is just plain wrong.Just look at the way the body is split up into specialisms - neurology, respiratory, upper-GI, etc... it's as if one part of the body has no impact on another part. The body is the sum of all its parts.
More importantly things "outside" of the body have a huge impact i.e external stressors, the medical model fails to take these into account e.g give a child an inhaler to ameliorate his/her asthma so that he/she can continue living on a main road in a bedroom on the ground floor where diesel fumes are pumped in on a 24 hour basis.
You claim that many diseases have been eradicated - as I've argued before most life-threatening diseases have been eradicated through improved hygiene, nutrition, decreased pollution and general affluence.
Everyday "Miracles" don't come cheap - not just in terms of the vast amounts of money spent on a disease but also in the numbers of animals used in experimentation.
Increased longevity is a bonus???? Have you visited a geriatric ward recently? I cannot view it as a bonus.
I visit my GP who thankfully is a left-wing, aging hippy and shares my views.
Originally Posted by Pumicestone
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I am under no illusion that the medicos are infallible. They are human for godsake. They err .... as do we all.BUT - one has only to look at the 'miracles' they perform daily.
Children who would previously have died, live long and healthy lives,
cancer victims DO often survive,
people with horrible wounds and burns are saved.
Many, many diseases have all but been eradicated etc etc etc.
Preventative medicine works in so many ways. Sight and hearing are often restored.
Longevity is today's bonus.
I have survived a life-threatening problem which I certainly would not like to have entrusted to the nay-sayers and wannabe health-gurus.
24-06-2014, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Baxter8
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I think you can be critical of individual GPs, consultants, nurses etc.. but you have a professional investment in the medical model. That's not meant as negatively critical and provides balance. I am overly-attached to the legal model having worked in law most of my life.I do not believe medical practitioners know my body better than I do, despite them studying 10, 12 or 14 years. From my experience of the NHS is that they do seem to operate from a position of one-size fits all -it doesn't.
24-06-2014, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pumicestone
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I am under no illusion that the medicos are infallible. They are human for godsake. They err .... as do we all.BUT - one has only to look at the 'miracles' they perform daily.
Children who would previously have died, live long and healthy lives,
cancer victims DO often survive,
people with horrible wounds and burns are saved.
Many, many diseases have all but been eradicated etc etc etc.
Preventative medicine works in so many ways. Sight and hearing are often restored.
Longevity is today's bonus.
I have survived a life-threatening problem which I certainly would not like to have entrusted to the nay-sayers and wannabe health-gurus.
24-06-2014, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Baxter8
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I see the glorification of the medical industry as the biggest problem. Of course individuals make errors - the problem is an entire industry fixated on a mechanistic view of the body, in my opinion is just plain wrong. Just look at the way the body is split up into specialisms - neurology, respiratory, upper-GI, etc... it's as if one part of the body has no impact on another part. The body is the sum of all its parts.
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Do you think then that a doctor can/should physically force make a family move house?....
24-06-2014, 03:59 PM
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I see the glorification of the medical industry as the biggest problem. Of course individuals make errors - the problem is an entire industry fixated on a mechanistic view of the body, in my opinion is just plain wrong.
Just look at the way the body is split up into specialisms - neurology, respiratory, upper-GI, etc... it's as if one part of the body has no impact on another part. The body is the sum of all its parts.
Seriously? You DO realize that an MD has to go through each and every rotation in medical school. They have to study ALL the body systems Baxter..and pass their Boards Only then do they go into their internship.. and AFTER that they declare a specialty and focus on that.. OR perhaps stay as a General Practicioner.
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