29-04-2018, 05:25 PM
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Re: The Alfie Evans case has proven we have to change the law in favour of parents
Originally Posted by Twink55
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I agree Morty. I think the parents were desperate to keep him alive, but all Rome was offering was continued palliative care. No doctor had even seen him so they couldn't offer anything that would help him survive... apart from more time on a life support machine & how can anybody know if that child was suffering pain or discomfort?
29-04-2018, 05:30 PM
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Re: The Alfie Evans case has proven we have to change the law in favour of parents
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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He died anyway so I didn't see the logic in their POV.I see this as a bigger discussion about the power medics should have over our lives when we are too vulnerable to walk out. The way vulnerable people are treated is still appalling. Did you know what people with dementia can be given ECT to pacify them? You don't have to obtain consent if someone is deemed to have lost capacity.
Old people or those with terminal diseases or those with dementia who are given ECT to pacify them ... well, would they want a relative, next of kin, or someone with the power of attorney to say ....keep them alive whatever it takes? Or want a medical professional to switch them off or give them a fatal injection?
Would you want the Courts to intercede?
I must be misunderstanding you.
29-04-2018, 05:30 PM
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Re: The Alfie Evans case has proven we have to change the law in favour of parents
Originally Posted by ruthio
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The report tells you this
29-04-2018, 05:33 PM
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Re: The Alfie Evans case has proven we have to change the law in favour of parents
Originally Posted by Twink55
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Then if they knew , for sure, that the child was suffering and could not survive without life support, I am surprised that anybody would think it right to continue.... apart from his family who must have been in an emotional turmoil!
29-04-2018, 05:38 PM
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Re: The Alfie Evans case has proven we have to change the law in favour of parents
Originally Posted by ruthio
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But they didn't think it was right to continue, that's why they fought the parents all the way!
29-04-2018, 05:47 PM
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Sorry Twink, yes I misunderstood you, apologies....re the general public most people hadn't a clue, they took one look at him, saw that he looked normal and branded the dedicated doctors as monsters.Isn't this what inevitably happens as soon as the papers get hold of a story like this?
29-04-2018, 06:37 PM
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Re: The Alfie Evans case has proven we have to change the law in favour of parents
Originally Posted by ruthio
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There was never any question of Aysha being brain dead.At the time proton beam therapy for cancer was in its experimental stages and the multi millions of pounds necessary for it to be available here on the NHS wasn't available.
I'm not sure that it is now, isn't it private?
https://www.ft.com/content/7a15b9e2-...0-52972418fec4
29-04-2018, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Morticia
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Then I'm losing the thread of your logic.Old people or those with terminal diseases or those with dementia who are given ECT to pacify them ... well, would they want a relative, next of kin, or someone with the power of attorney to say ....keep them alive whatever it takes? Or want a medical professional to switch them off or give them a fatal injection?
Would you want the Courts to intercede?
I must be misunderstanding you.
29-04-2018, 07:09 PM
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Re: The Alfie Evans case has proven we have to change the law in favour of parents
Originally Posted by ruthio
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Sorry Twink, yes I misunderstood you, apologies....re the general public most people hadn't a clue, they took one look at him, saw that he looked normal and branded the dedicated doctors as monsters.Isn't this what inevitably happens as soon as the papers get hold of a story like this?
The baby was one of several children on a recent documentary on called I think a child's life .
Even then the doctors commented cautiously that there was no hope for little Alfie.
So quite a lot of the general public will have a clue .
29-04-2018, 07:36 PM
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Re: The Alfie Evans case has proven we have to change the law in favour of parents
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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I am saying medics have too much power over the lives of the vulnerable. Instead of healing they have become control freaks.
Originally Posted by Muddy
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I don't think you can label a few ill educated yobbos outside the hospital as the general public .The baby was one of several children on a recent documentary on called I think a child's life .
Even then the doctors commented cautiously that there was no hope for little Alfie.
So quite a lot of the general public will have a clue
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