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26-10-2017, 11:05 PM
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My Gas man has been today to service my boiler, and I was talking to him about smart meters.
I asked him if he has one, and he said No, and he doesn't want one either.

He also said something I had never even thought of.
He said burglars can use them to tell when people are in or not!!

Has anyone ever heard that before
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26-10-2017, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mups ->
My gas man has been today to service my boiler, and I was talking to him about smart meters.
I asked him if he has one, and he said No, and he doesn't want one either.

He also said something I hadn't even thought of. He said burglars can use them to tell when people are in or not!!

Has anyone ever heard that before?
Just for YOU because I really do like YOU Mups I did a Google about this.
And here is a very recent newspaper article about it.
Got a Smart Meter installed?
Be afraid.
Be very afraid!

http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/...ter-rob-house/

Smart electricity meters carry vulnerabilities that could assist burglars and compromise privacy, but Australian households are not being warned of the risks, a leading cyber-security expert has warned.

Nigel Phair from the University of Canberra’s Centre for Internet Safety compiled a report on the risks of smart meters, which send data on a home’s utility use back to providers remotely rather than being read manually by an inspector.

The report said some smart meters, mostly used for gas and water, only sent information one way and were safe.

However, risks were particularly evident when a connection between the meter and provider sent information both ways — as is generally the case with smart electricity meters.

“Most of the devices are being built without any inbuilt security around them — and by that I mean password protection and no ability to update what we call the firmware as time goes on so they become safe devices,” Mr Phair said.

The report said that weakness left an opening for hackers, who could exploit the device once it was cracked.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...secure-hackers

Smart electricity meters, of which there are more than 100m installed around the world, are frequently “dangerously insecure”, a security expert has said.

The lack of security in the smart utilities raises the prospect of a single line of malicious code cutting power to a home or even causing a catastrophic overload leading to exploding meters or house fires, according to Netanel Rubin, co-founder of the security firm Vaultra.

“Reclaim your home,” Rubin told a conference of hackers and security experts, “or someone else will.”

If a hacker took control of a smart meter they would be able to know “exactly when and how much electricity you’re using”, Rubin told the 33rd Chaos Communications Congress in Hamburg. An attacker could also see whether a home had any expensive electronics.

“He can do billing fraud, setting your bill to whatever he likes … The scary thing is if you think about the power they have over your electricity. He will have power over all of your smart devices connected to the electricity. This will have more severe consequences: imagine you woke up to find you’d been robbed by a burglar who didn’t have to break in.

“But even if you don’t have smart devices, you are still at risk. An attacker who controls the meter also controls the meter’s software, allowing him to cause it to literally explode.”
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27-10-2017, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JBR ->
According to that chart, demand is at a high at about 2am and drops off when people are waking up and making their breakfast. It then begins to build up approaching midday and the afternoon when most people are at work. The peak in the late evening I can understand.

What do Australians get up to at 2am, I wonder?

Best not to answer that, I suppose!
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
There appears to be 'Humping'......... on the graph as you say JB, at 2am and again between 9 and 12pm......Perhaps it's the air conditioning....
Originally Posted by JBR ->
That's colonials for you!

Unfortunately that chart is for England (as stated in the message and obvious from the URL) so you have to work it for yourselves.

Obviously comprehension and literacy skills in the UK are not what they were.

Apart from anything else our power usage is greater in summer because of the air con.
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27-10-2017, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce ->
The point of smart meters is to save money on infrastructure not price gouge. They are giving you a financial incentive not to use power at (for example) breakfast, lunch and dinner time when power is most expensive.
Originally Posted by Realist ->
I can only presume you are affiliated with the energy companies, government or EU or else are utterly deluded.
I was utterly deluded when I thought you could put any cohesive, logical argument forward. Fortunately not a delusion that lasts very long.

Originally Posted by Realist ->
Smart Meters exist for the SOLE PURPOSE of heralding in the new billing system, charging different rates at different times of the day.

Obviously comprehension is not one of your strong points either.

ONE of the purposes of smart meters is to herald in a new billing system as I stated (but obviously this was where your comprehension fell down) and the reason for this is to affect people's usage to reduce the cost of infrastructure by reducing peak demand.

What is so hard about that for you to understand?

Whether it actually makes power cheaper, whether it has no effect overall or whether it merely slows the inexorable rise of energy prices is a moot point.
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27-10-2017, 09:25 AM
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and the reason for this is to affect people's usage to reduce the cost of infrastructure by reducing peak demand.
This is pure bunkum.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the rolling out of Smart Meters leads to customers spreading their energy usage across the day more efficiently. None at all.

In fact the available evidence shows that once the novelty period of the inhouse gadget has dissipated, people simply carry on using energy as they always did.

Smart Meters do absolutely nothing to help the energy crisis.

All they do is allow energy companies to charge you double or even triple the costs of the same energy you have always consumed.
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27-10-2017, 10:18 PM
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This is pure bunkum.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the rolling out of Smart Meters leads to customers spreading their energy usage across the day more efficiently. None at all.
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It's a financial incentive to change behaviour - it works - anyone with half a brain can think of many examples - try London's congestion charge.

It amuses me that someone who bombards this forum with a ridiculous number of pro free market/anti socialism diatribes objects so vehemently to the free market in action.
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28-10-2017, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce ->
It's a financial incentive to change behaviour - it works - anyone with half a brain can think of many examples - try London's congestion charge.

It amuses me that someone who bombards this forum with a ridiculous number of pro free market/anti socialism diatribes objects so vehemently to the free market in action.
You're still spouting theory not reality. The reality is people DO NOT CHANGE THEIR ENERGY USAGE HABITS as a result of having a Smart Meter. The evidence is out there. The studies have been done.

Thus no-one is going to save money from Smart Meters and in reality the vast majority will see a MASSIVE INCREASE in their bills for exactly the same energy usage.
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28-10-2017, 11:05 AM
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For those in the UK who feel bullied by energy companies or thinking that Smart Meters are mandatory, have no fear, they are not.

OFGEM STATEMENT

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/consumers/h...rs-your-rights

Do I have to have a smart meter?

"While government and Ofgem believe that all consumers will benefit from having smart meters, they aren’t compulsory and you can choose not to have one.

Choosing not to have a smart meter installed may mean you don’t have access to all the available tariffs on the market, some of which could be cheaper.

If you do not want to have a smart meter installed now, you will still be able to have one installed (free of charge) at a later date."


Stand firm imo. Do Not accept a Smart Meter.
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28-10-2017, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
You're still spouting theory not reality. The reality is people DO NOT CHANGE THEIR ENERGY USAGE HABITS as a result of having a Smart Meter. The evidence is out there. The studies have been done.

Thus no-one is going to save money from Smart Meters and in reality the vast majority will see a MASSIVE INCREASE in their bills for exactly the same energy usage.
I completely agree.

I am well aware of the level of power usage (roughly) of our appliances and lighting, and know when to turn them off. I admit that the telly, for example, is left on standby but I am not going to worry about a few milliwatts!

On the other hand, like the Queen, I regularly go around the house turning off lights that Marge has left on.

I don't need a silly 'smart meter' to tell me what to do.
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28-10-2017, 12:14 PM
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The other morning there was a knock on my front door. When I opened it there was a man standing there from my electricity supplier (Scottish Power) asking questions about my meter. He asked if I was on a payment meter for our electricity. I told him that it was a payment meter that had been here already when we moved in years ago and I decided to keep it, buy £30/£40 of electricity a week and feed it rather than receive a large bill. (I know, I pay more this way but I still prefer it).

Anyway, this obnoxious man then informed me that I would have to go onto a Smart Meter! Before he could continue I informed him that "No I don't", Smart Meters being installed are voluntary, not compulsory and there is no way in heaven that I am having one installed thank you".
His reply: "Madam, It is compulsory, the Government are rolling this out throughout the country and you will have to have a Smart Meter installed". I then said: "What utter crap! is this what you are telling all householders? if so, you ought to be thoroughly ashamed of yourself!, it is voluntary, not compulsory". He replied: Madam, I'm not going to argue with you, you will have to have a Smart Meter installed" and then he walked off.

Since then I have been plagued by telephone calls and texts from them. I have blocked most of the numbers but they really are a pain.

I think it is disgusting these obnoxious salespeople calling at homes, are lying to householders about having to have Smart Meters installed.
 
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