Crocs Moving South

The chances of limiting climate change appear to be growing slimmer by the day — and this may have big implications for Australia's wildlife.



Recently a number of crocodiles have been trapped in the Mary River, just 105 kilometres north of Noosa and 250km south of their usual range.

Noosa is only about 100km north of Brisbane and a 2'C rise in temperature will see Noosa within the comfortable range for saltwater crocs.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2...change/9634422

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We never could have an effect on Climate Change Bruce, it is what it is, and to even consider the fact that mankind could possibly interfere with the course of nature on a global scale is seriously overestimating man's ability.

I accept that resources will run out and alternative means of energy are required. I also accept that to make our populated areas nicer places to live and breath we must cut pollution on a local scale. But to suggest that we can have a global effect is just ridiculous.

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Thousands of scientists disagree with you.

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of course they do but OGF runs so much that there is a severe lack of oxygen getting to his brain cells which results in brain pollution!! right OGF??

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Totally and utterly irrelevant - what does it matter what causes it in this context? Science is hoping it doesn't exceed 2'C, this article is about things that are happening now and what will happen as the temperature rises. Did you read the article? crocs are moving further south when they reach the gold coast resorts there will be big problems.

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let's keep this factual and in context - it is a well known fact that as crocodile populations increase they become overcrowded and the adults move from overcrowded territories and seek newer less crowded which are often further south. Gatherings of crocs are very sensitive to numbers and over-crowding leads to fighting and disorder.

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If man made climate change is utterly irrelevant Bruce, why was it mentioned in your post and the article......Limiting climate change by whom then? We are not in a position to LIMIT climate change on a global scale, we never have been...

No they don't Besoeker, thousands of scientists accept that there is climate change, and so do I, but there are almost as many scientists who do not attribute climate change to anything man made....And even if there were, why should we believe them? They can't even accurately predict the weather for the next few months, let alone climate change for the next fifty years. Didn't these same scientists predict 'Global cooling' just thirty years ago?

There have been remnants of marine life found high in the hills of Denmark among other places, the Sahara desert was believed to be under water long before the human race existed. Most scientists believe that the Earth's travel through space, the angle of tilt, and activity occurring on the surface of the sun all play their part in affecting the weather and climate patterns here on Earth.

Just one small change in circumstances could provide a completely different projected model...

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OK. Cite your sources.

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The answer is NEVER to go into the water while in Australia .
( well swimming pools are OK up to a point there are he aussies of course!)
In fact don't go near it or on it .
Those Salties are huge and can actually run quite fast on land .
They will eat you .

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Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections
These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the 21st century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

David Bellamy, botanist.[19][20][21][22]
Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[23][24]
Judith Curry, professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.[25][26][27][28]
Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society.[29][30]
Ivar Giaever, Norwegian–American physicist and Nobel laureate in physics (1973).[31]
Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University.[32][33]
Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences.[30][34][35][36]
Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.[37][38][39][40][41][42][43]
Ross McKitrick, professor of economics and CBE chair in sustainable commerce, University of Guelph.[44][45]
Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada.[46][47][48]
Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003).[49][50]
Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University.[51][52]
Roger A. Pielke, Jr., professor of environmental studies at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado at Boulder.[53][54]
Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science.[55][56][57][58]
Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 Astronaut, former U.S. senator.[59][60]
Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm.[61][62]
Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London.[63][64]
Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute.[65][66]
Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor of atmospheric science at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.[67][68]
Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry.[69][70]
Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

[71]These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences.[72][73]
Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.[74][75][76]
Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg.[77][78][79]
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.[80][81]
Vincent Courtillot, geophysicist, member of the French Academy of Sciences.[82]
Doug Edmeades, PhD., soil scientist, officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit.[83]
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester.[84][85]
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University.[86][87]
William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University.[30][88]
Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo.[89][90]
Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[91][92]
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology.[93][94]
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware.[95][96]
Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri.[97][98]
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.[99][100]
Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[101][102]
Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[103][104]
Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego.[105][106]
Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado.[107][108]
Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University.[109][110][111]
Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo.[112][113]
Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.[114][115]
Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia.[116][117][118][119]
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.[120][121]
Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville.[122][123]
Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center.[124][125]
George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University.[126][127]
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa.[128][129]
Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown
These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.

Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks.[130][131]
Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris).[132][133]
Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.[134][135]
Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre.[136][137]
John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports.[138][139][140]
Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory.[141][142]
David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.[143][144]
Stanley B. Goldenberg a meteorologist with NOAA/AOML's Hurricane Research Division.[145][146]
Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes.[147][148]
Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change.[149][150]
Kary Mullis, 1993 Nobel laureate in chemistry, inventor of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) method.[151][152][153]
Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.[154][155]
Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences
These scientists have said that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for society or the environment.

Indur M. Goklany, electrical engineer, science and technology policy analyst for the United States Department of the Interior.[156][157][158]
Craig D. Idso, geographer, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change.[159][160]
Sherwood B. Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University.[161][162]
Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia.[163][164]
Deceased scientists

Just for starters Besoeker......I couldn't publish the full list because it was too long for the forum...