11-12-2014, 05:54 PM
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Re: Heartless Government
Originally Posted by Meg
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The problem is distinguishing the genuine needy from the feckless and I am sure there are plenty of both about.Governments of all persuasions seem to have been unable to sort out that problem.
In the days when benefits were paid at the post office I used to see a scruffy young woman with her toddler in a pushchair. On collecting her benefits the first thing she did was to buy a number of lottery scratch cards.
I used to think then that the child could do with a wash and a good meal.
When you are very poor life is about choices, some people are not very good at making the right ones.
11-12-2014, 06:13 PM
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Re: Heartless Government
Originally Posted by Meg
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The problem is distinguishing the genuine needy from the feckless and I am sure there are plenty of both about.Governments of all persuasions seem to have been unable to sort out that problem.
In the days when benefits were paid at the post office I used to see a scruffy young woman with her toddler in a pushchair. On collecting her benefits the first thing she did was to buy a number of lottery scratch cards.
I used to think then that the child could do with a wash and a good meal.
When you are very poor life is about choices, some people are not very good at making the right ones.
11-12-2014, 06:16 PM
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Re: Heartless Government
Originally Posted by Roseredlee
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And this is what I feel is so very very wrong about the Lottery, which is essentially yet another way for governments to get the poor to fund stuff that should be funded by taxing the rich. I feel only pity for people trapped in poverty and tricked by TV adverts and programmes into believing that they stand more than the very slenderest of chances of bettering their lot by winning a fortune.
11-12-2014, 07:55 PM
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Re: Heartless Government
There is a section of society who will always be poor regardless of how much money you dole out to them. Yes there are genuine hard luck stories as there will be under any system and under any government, but you cannot continue to write blank cheques on welfare because there will never ever be enough to go round.As an example, in the current furore over food banks it is often the simplistic view that people are starving that brings the biggest howls from the left and which makes the biggest headlines in left wing rags such as the Guardian, and it is almost seen as a heresy to mention that the fecklessness of some of the food bank customers, who continue to smoke, drink, gamble and pay their Sky subscriptions and smartphone bills then complain they have nothing left for food.
As Meg says, some people make very poor choices, but they always will if someone will always bail them out.
11-12-2014, 08:10 PM
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Re: Heartless Government
Originally Posted by plantman
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There is a section of society who will always be poor regardless of how much money you dole out to them. Yes there are genuine hard luck stories as there will be under any system and under any government, but you cannot continue to write blank cheques on welfare because there will never ever be enough to go round. As an example, in the current furore over food banks it is often the simplistic view that people are starving that brings the biggest howls from the left and which makes the biggest headlines in left wing rags such as the Guardian, and it is almost seen as a heresy to mention that the fecklessness of some of the food bank customers, who continue to smoke, drink, gamble and pay their Sky subscriptions and smartphone bills then complain they have nothing left for food.
As Meg says, some people make very poor choices, but they always will if someone will always bail them out.
You are a downright Tory through and through with your head full of the nonsense fed to you by the Tory spin doctors and Tory propaganda. Your daft opinions are very damaging, I would even go to say dangerous. This is no way to run a country and if you felt any sort of empathy for the weak and wounded of this country you wouldn't come out with such utter bullshit.
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11-12-2014, 08:26 PM
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Re: Heartless Government
MJkYou appear to have very strong misguided views but that is your choice. No need to slag other off if they have an entirely
different view point.
And before you reply I was one of those hard working people with no money when i got engaged to be married,
but I got off my backside and did something about it. So if I can do it so can others if they tried
Try for example doing a 16 hour day 7 days a week having 3 jobs for 18 months to save to get married and finished up only weighing 6 stone. That is what i did and was, nearly killed me and Dr said I had to ease off or i would not be here now
Graft, today people don't know what the word means
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