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Is the European Union Worth It?

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I thought the first part of the video was great, everything what makes sense about the EU.

What is was originally intended to be and great reasons for staying in.

Unfortunately the EU has developed into an entirely different thing.

A great sadness, but we are where we are.

As for Security and common purpose, neither Merkel and Juncker pay anywhere near their dues, and Germany and Luxembourg are very rich Countries riding on the backs of others.

They refuse point blank to pay their dues even though they are incredibly rich countries.

The bit about Tax made me laugh out loud.

Juncker was the PM of Luxembourg, the biggest Tax Haven in the EU.

If there had been any reasonable prospect of change in the EU, I would have voted to remain.

There wasn't and still isn't, so out we go.
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The obviously biased video began by assuring us that the EU was set up to promote peace.

In actuality, NATO was set up to promote peace.

The EU was set up in an attempt to create a large unified body under the dictatorship of the Commission in Brussels and in which each individual country would lose not only its separate identity, but also its sovereignty.

Well, yes, I suppose that would result in some sort of 'peace'!
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14-04-2017, 07:19 PM
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Both NATO and European unity were to prevent the spread of communism and maintain peace in a region which for centuries had been ravaged by war. Ultimately peace in Europe= prosperity in the US via trade. It has worked for decades. The 2008 crash put a spanner in the works. After that any common strategy for prosperity went awry.
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Originally Posted by JBR ->
The obviously biased video began by assuring us that the EU was set up to promote peace.

In actuality, NATO was set up to promote peace.

The EU was set up in an attempt to create a large unified body under the dictatorship of the Commission in Brussels and in which each individual country would lose not only its separate identity, but also its sovereignty.

Well, yes, I suppose that would result in some sort of 'peace'!
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NATO was set up to protect Europe from Stalin.

The EU was set up to protect Western Europe from fighting amongst itself, which we had been doing for 100's of years.

Unfortunately, it was France, in the shape of De Gaul, who had illusions of power, who blocked the entry of the UK for years,

Now we have France threatening the UK again.

Such is life, they think they have the whip hand, witness the posts from Flicker.

Time will tell, if push comes to shove and the French carry out their threats to impose a bad deal to crush us it will be a sad day.

It is however their choice.

They can have as many Bataclans as they want, they get naff all from us.

Withdrawing the Bilateral Agreement about Immigration and Customs in France?

We will deal with that threat straight away.

The EU has a policy of detaining and then destroying all vessels and vehicles used for people smuggling and prosecuting those involved.

When we leave the EU we play by our Rules.

We would not for example, seize all Polish Lorries coming to the UK if they had illegals on board, we work well with them in our mutual interest.

We can however stop and do a detailed search of any French Vehicle or any vehicle carrying French Goods arriving in the UK.

We can then seize that vehicle if it is carrying illegals and sell the vehicle and it's entire contents to pay our costs.

Flicker is absolutely right, we cannot discriminate against French Goods, we must offer them exactly the same rate of Duty as our most favoured nation status.

The French have been very busy trademarking their goods.

Champagne for example can only come from a specific region of France, so must Beaujolais and Burgundy.

Perfectly legal under WTO Rules to put a premium of 1000% on such wines.

Very sad if we have to, but two can play hardball.
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14-04-2017, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
Both NATO and European unity were to prevent the spread of communism and maintain peace in a region which for centuries had been ravaged by war. Ultimately peace in Europe= prosperity in the US via trade. It has worked for decades. The 2008 crash put a spanner in the works. After that any common strategy for prosperity went awry.
Funny how NATO seems to have worked perfectly well until the EU decided to adopt an expansionist policy, though, isn't it?
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14-04-2017, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
The EU was set up to protect Western Europe from fighting amongst itself, which we had been doing for 100's of years.
In which it has been very effective...

...in subjugating all member countries under one dictatorship!

If you're all part of one 'empire' you're hardly likely to fight your fellow members, are you? Your overlords wouldn't allow it!

Get rid of the political dictatorship of the EU and substitute the military alliance of NATO and suddenly all members are protected, not only from outsiders but also from each other.

Remember the tenet: "An attack on any member country will be seen as an attack on the whole of NATO".
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Unfortunately, it was France, in the shape of De Gaul, who had illusions of power, who blocked the entry of the UK for years,

Now we have France threatening the UK again.

Such is life, they think they have the whip hand, witness the posts from Flicker.

Time will tell, if push comes to shove and the French carry out their threats to impose a bad deal to crush us it will be a sad day.

It is however their choice.
I agree. It is common knowledge that the Frogs hate the Brits. They are jealous of us, for good reason.

They are also rather stupid.

Attempting to 'punish' us will backfire on them.

Bring it on.
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14-04-2017, 10:32 PM
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Funny how NATO seems to have worked perfectly well until the EU decided to adopt an expansionist policy, though, isn't it?
Well NATO was formed mainly to counter the Soviet bloc wasn't it. So I'd say it had an identity crisis after 1989, EU expansion was always gonna happen when the iron curtain fell - those countries were all meant to get the marshall plan funds originally.

I guess Trump will breathe new life into NATO with his flip flops. Maybe we will end up with a US-led Europe....
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Originally Posted by JBR ->

Get rid of the political dictatorship of the EU and substitute the military alliance of NATO and suddenly all members are protected, not only from outsiders but also from each other.
Interesting point - can you expand on that? What would replace the current order and still maintain peace & prosperity?
 
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