Re: Brexit a view from abroad.
Originally Posted by
Rainmaker
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I wasn't referring to any country other than the EU who have a vested interest in giving us a rough ride. Neither was my post addressed particularly to you but a statement to of my general opinion of the trend of the thread to concentrate on the negatives.
Whatever the UKs relations are with the WTO, if indeed it is as you say, none of it has any bearing on the way the EU is behaving toward the UK.
Are you saying that that you believe every claim the EU makes about the negotiations? Are you saying that they are acting in an entirely fair and honest manner? So far they seem to have taken everything the UK has offered and pocketed it with nothing in return.
One of the main reasons for leaving the EU was to get away from the stifling regulatory regime and decide our own destiny. For me that hasn't changed and if there is a price I will pay it willingly and so I believe will the others who voted to leave. Everything the EU has done since we gave notice, has just made me even more convinced it is right.
None of us have any idea what has been said in the talks since the only information we receive is second and third hand via news media who these days seem to bend the truth with monotonous regularity.
What truly disappoints me is that most people only seem to see the drawback and totally ignore the opportunities.
Hi
Of course I am not happy with the way the EU are handling the exit negotiations.
The Irish Border is absolutely nothing to do with the EU, it is a matter solely between the Irish and the UK.
As regards the amount of money they are demanding, we pay solely what we are legally obliged to do.
If there is any dispute between our lawyers and their lawyers then it goes to International Arbitration, settled by a third party, which is how things are done.
As regards EU Citizens here in the UK, we offer them the same rights as EU Citizen's have in France.
That gets the objections out of the way, if they turn down these reasonable offers, the we leave, with a great big barrier between Northern Ireland and the South and the end of free movement for the Irish to the UK.
We would also apply tariffs to all Irish Goods travelling through the UK, even if the ultimate destination is the EU.
This is perfectly legal and would force them to greatly increase their costs by having to go the long way round by sea.
That is what I meant by playing Hardball.
Next, the Transition Period.
May sent the letter, we are leaving in March 2019. fair enough.
Our Government then asked for a 2 year Transition deal.
The EU said fine, you can have one, but it will cost you.
That is not bullying, that is business. anybody would have done the same.
We started Article 50 negotiations with our red lines, we are leaving the single market and the customs union.
Full stop, finito, we are not going to be negotiating that.
The EU have said, fine, your decision, the best you can get on that basis is what we have just negotiated with Canada.
We said that is not fair, we want more.
The response from the EU has been ,well, it was your choice, it does not suit us to give you any more.
Our rallying cry, oft repeated, by May and our Government, is no deal is better than a bad deal.
The EU has responded to that ultimatum by fine, we are quite happy with no deal, it suits us.
That is not bullying, it is good business on their part.
They have done their sums.
The EU have not been obstructive at all on splitting up the other Trade Deals we have with Non EU Countries as part of the EU.
We split the tariff and Non Tariff Quotas up and the EU agreed with our proposals.
Instead of negotiating these with the Countries affected, Liam Fox went straight to the WTO to register them.
Some of the Countries have objected, risking these trade Deals which are two way, they are a benefit to the UK.
I am seriously unhappy with the way things are going with the 3 EU Demands, however our own Prime Minister agreed to sorting these out before talks moved on to any trade deal.
We are where we are, however much of it is entirely down to our own stupidity.
I am still convinced that leaving the EU is the correct thing to do.
I am not however convinced that our Politicians are making a good job of it.