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I started believing when I had beaten cancer for the second time.
You can't beat cancer twice. Either you beat it the first time round or you didn't. It sounds like you didn't.

It is a known aspect of chemo and associated treatments that it damages the immune system and paves the wave for new cancers to take hold.

I'm sorry that you are suffering Julie, truly, but chemo and irradiation is not the answer in my opinion. Nevertheless I defend your right to the hilt to expose your body to whatever forces you choose.
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01-08-2017, 02:35 PM
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I stopped believing in God when first diagnosed with bowel cancer at the age of 30, with a baby and young daughter dependent on me.
A perfectly rational response imo. However don't let it confuse you. God, as in the highly crafted story perpetrated by the churches, and presented to us in heavily edited, censored and altered scripts and in the Bible is of course a nonsense.

Something else does exist though imo. We just have to realise what it is.
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01-08-2017, 03:00 PM
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I sympathise Annie.

That said, it is worth realising that often, the first stages of overcoming some condition, maybe infection or virus, is often to first actually feel worse than you do already.

That is because the medicine (natural or otherwise) you take will kill off the organisms causing the illness and the body will then flush them out of your system. That tends to put a significant load on the liver and kidneys making you feel worse, causing pain in that area, probably back pain too and general fatigue. It's just part of the healing cycle imo.
Or it can kill you particularly as it's not regulated and interactions with conventional meds are poorly communicated/understood. I nearly ended up with seratonin syndrome after taking 5htp some years back. I didn't realise my anti histamine had a seratonin reuptake action. I had palpitations for months after. There was no warning on the supplement or the allergy pills. Both conventional meds and natural supplements can harm the liver and kidneys.
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01-08-2017, 03:07 PM
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Re: Cancer & The Gerson Therapy

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You can't beat cancer twice. Either you beat it the first time round or you didn't. It sounds like you didn't.

It is a known aspect of chemo and associated treatments that it damages the immune system and paves the wave for new cancers to take hold.

I'm sorry that you are suffering Julie, truly, but chemo and irradiation is not the answer in my opinion. Nevertheless I defend your right to the hilt to expose your body to whatever forces you choose.
I was ten years free of it. To me that's beating it.

I'm going to beat it again this time. Chemo and radiation worked twice it will work again.

If I hadn't had it the last two times I wouldn't be here now to have it again.

I've seen people grab alternative remedies oddly the ones seem to survive are those that use them along side the chemo and radiation not instead of it.

I'm a big fan of alternative therapies helping while you are having treatments, plants, foods, smells, massage all sorts of things help you get through it. But they aren't IMO a cure.
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01-08-2017, 03:15 PM
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Re: Cancer & The Gerson Therapy

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You can't beat cancer twice. Either you beat it the first time round or you didn't. It sounds like you didn't.

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My first cancer was over forty years ago. I lost three stones in weight, needed six units of blood in preparation for surgery. I had a right hemicolectomy, had no follow up, until about fifteen years ago and that was only due to talking to a surgeon one day whilst having coffee with him at work, when he initiated five yearly colonoscopies, for me and my children.

My second diagnosis came out of the blue eighteen months ago, entirely without symptoms, just picked up the above mentioned review. This time total colectomy. The surgeons assured me that there was no relationship between my first and second diagnoses. Just bad luck I guess!
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01-08-2017, 03:51 PM
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Re: Cancer & The Gerson Therapy

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My first cancer was over forty years ago. I lost three stones in weight, needed six units of blood in preparation for surgery. I had a right hemicolectomy, had no follow up, until about fifteen years ago and that was only due to talking to a surgeon one day whilst having coffee with him at work, when he initiated five yearly colonoscopies, for me and my children.

My second diagnosis came out of the blue eighteen months ago, entirely without symptoms, just picked up the above mentioned review. This time total colectomy. The surgeons assured me that there was no relationship between my first and second diagnoses. Just bad luck I guess!
Yes my tumours this time are quite different to my first one I've been told too. I think I believe my oncologist and yours over anyone on the Internet that's never examined our tumours.
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01-08-2017, 04:27 PM
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You can't beat cancer twice. Either you beat it the first time round or you didn't.

What about my situation Mr Realist ?

After the endoscopy and the colonoscopy and the MRI and other highfalutin scans blood tests and a bone marrow extraction, as I sat in front of the oncologist he told me I had two types of cancer, he told me the first would be cut out, while the other wasn't 'ripe' enough to treat as yet, and that it would be treated as and when it was treatable.

So.....when they chopped the cancerous bowel out, why didn't they treat the blood cancer ?

Because they probably know better or what ?
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01-08-2017, 04:38 PM
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I'm afraid some people read things, get a little knowledge and then think they are doctors ! If only it was that easy we'd have no problems in the NHS because we would have so many doctors we could have one each !

My oncologist did 7 years at medical school and another 4 in oncology and still admits he doesn't know it all. When anyone here can honestly say they've studied like that I might listen more closely.

My nurse has 23 years in an oncology department that's experience and learning and she admits she doesn't know as much as the doctor.
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01-08-2017, 10:44 PM
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Cancer is like rust, you can treat it but it can always reappear years later where you least expect it. The answer is regular screening. Nobody knows it all because we (collectively) as a society are still learning. The new targeted treatments make the most sense. But it's really really expensive. Chemo costs money but far less than the specialised treatments. Of course pharma companies are partly responsible for the costs, but they have to pay back all the R&D.
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01-08-2017, 11:18 PM
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Nobody knows it all because we (collectively) as a society are still learning.
I don't personally believe this for a second. I would lay good money that those in true power know all about the various cancer strains and do have the cures for them, by which I mean real permanent cures which do not harm your body.

The new targeted treatments make the most sense. But it's really really expensive. Chemo costs money but far less than the specialised treatments. Of course pharma companies are partly responsible for the costs, but they have to pay back all the R&D.[/QUOTE]

Not a question of R&D imo. More a simple question of running a "cancer" business which generates very lucrative profits. They make money from the drugs, from treatments, from sales of equipment, from the training of health workers and of course from the various mainstream charities which purport to be doing research.
 
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