23-03-2015, 01:45 PM
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I think something has been lost in translation..... I said "not necessarily for ever or to the same level as if we were fit and in work. " By this I meant to convey that help should be available , but only for as long as necessary. I don't mean to include those with long term needs.To what level? If a person was earning the UK average of £26,500 pa, would you expect the state to maintain that level?
But this all gets away a bit from pensions for which we pay and in return we are promised a regular income after state retirement age. And then the govt. has the nerve to grab 20% back again! Perhaps state pensions should be seperated from the general N.I. pot.
23-03-2015, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nom
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No its not it was a fact, but if i said all scotsman were the same that would be a generalisation. Its not a personal attack Myra ,im offering an alternative view based on personal experience , the ongoing hate against us on benefits will cost me my life, as it has to so many before.
He is completely different from anyone who wants to work but can't be are physically or mentally ill, who are of pensionable age and receive state pension, who are desperately trying to get a job but are finding it impossible. That is completely different from the person above who I have described. The benefits were wasted on him.
23-03-2015, 02:22 PM
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Not once on my post have I attack genuine people whom on benefit , but thoses whom cheat the system , as I said many times I personal know more cheating than the ones that are genuine , no ones attack geniune folk on benefitsSeriously must read post and dont presume always
23-03-2015, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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That's where I think you are wrong - we should be giving disabled people the same as they would get if they were employed - why should someone just because they can't work have to live some sort of twilight life, we should look after them they are humans too.
23-03-2015, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumblewagon
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I think something has been lost in translation..... I said "not necessarily for ever or to the same level as if we were fit and in work. " By this I meant to convey that help should be available , but only for as long as necessary. I don't mean to include those with long term needs.To what level? If a person was earning the UK average of £26,500 pa, would you expect the state to maintain that level?
But this all gets away a bit from pensions for which we pay and in return we are promised a regular income after state retirement age. And then the govt. has the nerve to grab 20% back again! Perhaps state pensions should be seperated from the general N.I. pot.
I do think pensions should be removed from discussions on benefits as they are by far biggest part of the pot and when people look at the figures they assume it's all scroungers and layabouts claiming unemployment. (not how I see unemployed but how they are spoken of these days).
23-03-2015, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Myra
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Nom, I personally have no hatred of anyone receiving benefits. I'm not that kind of person. Some of my family are on benefits for various reasons. I had never grudged anyone on benefits until I was living in the same building as a junkie on benefits. He led the life of reilly. Had absolutely no intention of working. Had the tv on all day, blaring. Constantly had takeaways delivered. Had a drinking den in his bedroom, whilst his poor dog had to sit amongst the drinkers. He kept offering people to buy the dog. It sickened me to the stomach. That's when I changed towards people such as him. He was a fly as a jailer. Got his grass cut by the council. He was in his 30's. As fit as a fiddle when you saw him walking along the street with his cronies. He is completely different from anyone who wants to work but can't be are physically or mentally ill, who are of pensionable age and receive state pension, who are desperately trying to get a job but are finding it impossible. That is completely different from the person above who I have described. The benefits were wasted on him.
I wont post further on this subject.
23-03-2015, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nom
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My argument with you has nothing to do with our differing opinions,but with the fact you snipped a tiny bit of my post and essentially twisted it out of context, i was in fact using a personal experience i had to show ridiculous it is to demonise all on the basis of the actions of a few,i assure you they were everything i said. I dont LIE and i hate the stereotyping that is going on today.I wont post further on this subject.
No, I don't lie either. What you said was insulting.
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