01-03-2018, 12:23 PM
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Re: Britain is not a nation of immigrants
Originally Posted by summer
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I expect your views on this are influenced on where you live. I live in a village which is a mainly white traditionally English population, however I don't have to travel far to be in an exceptionally high immigrant area where I would certainly be the odd one out.I have to admit I feel vulnerable going to those areas, very little English is spoken and the women are mainly covered top to toe some even cover their faces in full Burka.
Yes I agree a well integrated society is what we should aim for but this is not integration and integration only works if everyone wants it, I know it's not PC to say this but not all cultures do.
There are areas like this all over the country.
Bristol has a large Somali population .
Full burqas for the women and there are areas which are entirely Somalian.
This is not integration.
01-03-2018, 12:25 PM
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Re: Britain is not a nation of immigrants
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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We have a growing, wealthy economy. It's been growing for decades. So we need more inputs (inc labour) to generate more outputs and prosperity for the nation as a whole. We gave up mass training our labour because it was cheaper and made economic sense to import trained and willing workers. If you want constant growth you make it as easy as possible for industry to source factors of production. People who complain about poverty in the UK need to go spend a while in some of the countries these people come from. We are a wealthy country and nobody here has to worry about electricity blackouts or water shortages. We are wealthy because of historic wealth from the Empire and building on that ever since including massive growth using imported labour.
It's refugees that people complain about but their children probably end up contributing a great deal in future generations. There is something called the "immigrant mentality". I think the basis is that people going to a country with nothing will be driven to do their utmost to ensure their children have a better life.
01-03-2018, 12:29 PM
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Re: Britain is not a nation of immigrants
Originally Posted by Muddy
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This is a myth it's doesn't make economic sense at all .We import foreign workers who also have families who need education and medical care .
And who also get old and need pensions and care themselves .
Are we to go on importing people ad infinitum ?
It's refugees that have caused a lot of friction because they come here without a plan, they have trauma and often mental health problems and they don't fit into the culture. There's no proper management of that problem. Problems between different refugee gangs cause all sorts of issues. People that come here to work are not a drain on the system because they contribute. They need more policies for helping refugees to contribute faster rather than keeping them locked up.
01-03-2018, 12:30 PM
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Re: Britain is not a nation of immigrants
Originally Posted by Julie1962
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At the moment you may be just on the cusp of us not having enough water, and services. What don't you understand about finite resources we are a small island.
01-03-2018, 12:31 PM
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Re: Britain is not a nation of immigrants
Originally Posted by Muddy
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Good post Summer.There are areas like this all over the country.
Bristol has a large Somali population .
Full burqas for the women and there are areas which are entirely Somalian.
This is not integration.
01-03-2018, 12:36 PM
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Re: Britain is not a nation of immigrants
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Most migrants are not old people Muddy. They don't use up lots of medical care. Yes they need education for their children but we aren't having enough children here. Pensions are not something that appears but you pay into a pot right? You pay taxes for healthcare, or should. Working people contribute to the tax pot. We don't have enough working people here it's clear. All wealthy economies have a steady stream of migrant workers. It makes a lot of sense
But they GET OLD Annie the same as all of us .
They don't stay young forever and they and their children use the same amount of healthcare as anyone else.
There is little economic advantage in the end.
01-03-2018, 12:39 PM
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Re: Britain is not a nation of immigrants
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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They will surely be refugees?
Some men live as they live in Somalia with little or no respect for women . Another large group of Somalians live in Manchester and there have been vicious sex attacks on young girls form Somalia men who appear to think a white schoolgirl is fair game.
01-03-2018, 01:06 PM
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Re: Britain is not a nation of immigrants
Originally Posted by Muddy
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They were but the population has risen to 10000 as Somalians have more children .Some men live as they live in Somalia with little or no respect for women . Another large group of Somalians live in Manchester and there have been vicious sex attacks on young girls form Somalia men who appear to think a white schoolgirl is fair game.
01-03-2018, 01:07 PM
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Re: Britain is not a nation of immigrants
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Well maybe you could explain it to me? Do you have any facts to say we are running out of water because the immigrants are drinking it all?
We have had various bans in previous years our water table is lower than ever. We just don't have enough rain fall to keep us all in water, add more people and it will tip over that edge.
Right down eastern area across south east is worst affected.
I watched a tv documentary about it a couple of years ago panorama or similar.
01-03-2018, 01:08 PM
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Re: Britain is not a nation of immigrants
Originally Posted by Muddy
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But they GET OLD Annie the same as all of us .They don't stay young forever and they and their children use the same amount of healthcare as anyone else.
There is little economic advantage in the end.
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