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31-10-2017, 02:45 PM
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It's all so terribly sad isn't it. Try as people might to persuade those suffering with an illness to get help, if they feel they don't want to, what can anyone do.
It's hard for them to come to terms with what may happen because someone wont accept what could help them. The word 'selfish' is often used.

Personally I would go with what I believed in or wanted to accept, whether it lead to my demise or not.

I've seen and worked with a lot of cancer suffers and talked with them about their illness and their way of handling it made me speechless sometimes. I've seen real suffering for both the patient and the family. Sadly sometimes the treatment was so horrendous and was all fruitless. It made the family's anger worse as they held onto their loved one being cured. In the end, they wished the treatment hadn't started so they could have died in peace.

Some felt such incredible guilt after persuading their loved one to accept treatment which failed and they lost them. They beat themselves up as they made them suffer for nothing.

So many here are suffering with cancer and battling through it brilliantly. There are some wonderful outcomes. Thankfully, in lots of cases and with new technologies and treatments there is more of a fighting chance surviving it or certainly prolonging quality of life. But in the end, it's what the patient feels is right for them which has to be respected.
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31-10-2017, 09:29 PM
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Thank you Pesta. Richard certainly is going with what he believes is, or, as you say, what he wants to accept. It's a very difficult situation all round, but nothing more I can do other than be here at the end of the phone. Thank you so much Twink and Pesta for your replies.
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01-11-2017, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Twink55 ->
I get lots of spam e mails about miracle cancer cures..Blushberry being one of them.
If it was a genuine cure the experts would already be involved in the research.
Sorry but this is very naļve thinking.

Whether Blushberry is effective or bunkum I can not say, but the fact remains that the Big Pharma institutions are NEVER EVER going to research and support any natural cure and in fact they will invest many £millions in media campaigns to deride and poo poo any effective cure because that protects their lucrative "Cancer business".

Cancer is a MASSIVE business. Richard in the OP here is 100% right to look at the available natural cures before ever thinking about chemo and radiation therapy.

There are many to go at and the Laetrile/Apricot Kernel one is the one I would first investigate because it has so much actual stuff behind it (studies, case studies, witnesses etc etc ) but which has obviously and predictably been poo poo'd by the Big Pharma machine. The very fact that the USA has banned the sale of Apricot kernels should be all the proof anyone needs to see that there is something in it.

I am highly sceptical of today's "health industry" and wouldn't believe anything the stooges tell me. They have a MASSIVE vested interest in telling you that you have cancer or that it is spreading so that they can send you down the long path of drugs and treatments.

I would always get private independent second opinions, always.

In the end look for the cures where no-one in particular stands to make a ton of money. For sure, there are some plain as day charlatans out there trying to peddle books and products as cancer cures. There always will be. But in amongst it all there are the genuine products and protocols which will involve simple things of Nature which cost nothing.

Seek and you will find imo.
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01-11-2017, 12:50 PM
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Sorry but this is very naļve thinking.

Whether Blushberry is effective or bunkum I can not say, but the fact remains that the Big Pharma institutions are NEVER EVER going to research and support any natural cure and in fact they will invest many £millions in media campaigns to deride and poo poo any effective cure because that protects their lucrative "Cancer business".

Cancer is a MASSIVE business. Richard in the OP here is 100% right to look at the available natural cures before ever thinking about chemo and radiation therapy.

There are many to go at and the Laetrile/Apricot Kernel one is the one I would first investigate because it has so much actual stuff behind it (studies, case studies, witnesses etc etc ) but which has obviously and predictably been poo poo'd by the Big Pharma machine. The very fact that the USA has banned the sale of Apricot kernels should be all the proof anyone needs to see that there is something in it.

I am highly sceptical of today's "health industry" and wouldn't believe anything the stooges tell me. They have a MASSIVE vested interest in telling you that you have cancer or that it is spreading so that they can send you down the long path of drugs and treatments.

I would always get private independent second opinions, always.

In the end look for the cures where no-one in particular stands to make a ton of money. For sure, there are some plain as day charlatans out there trying to peddle books and products as cancer cures. There always will be. But in amongst it all there are the genuine products and protocols which will involve simple things of Nature which cost nothing.

Seek and you will find imo.
Realist I will listen to your ideas when you can provide proof, rather than theories, and give full details of somebody who was diagnosed with cancer, received no pharmaceutical medicine and recovered on natural cures alone. Until then I will follow common sense, as I have been cured of cancer at a cancer specialist hospital!
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01-11-2017, 02:01 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with anyone. I lost my closest friend to a brain tumour which struck so suddenly with no warnings of any kind whilst we were away one weekend. My friend was very into everything healthy and homeopathic remedies. They didn't save her and neither did chemo and radio therapy, she never went home again and died 8 months later and completely unrecognisable as the slim lovely woman I knew.

Another very close friend died 2 years ago from multiple myeloma after suffering just over two years of the most horrendous treatments. After almost 2 years she went into remission, but as it is with multiple myeloma it always comes back after a few months. More treatment, more suffering, but she died anyway. Carol too had taken homeopathic remedies, with the consent of her doctors.

Last September my closest friend here died, suddenly and unexpectedly, she too was somewhat of a health freak and took all kinds of vitamins.

A couple of months ago, as I posted on here at the time, one of our super fit athlete friends collapsed, blockage to his heart, he was saved. However he too had prostate cancer, must be 5 or 6 years ago now. Two weeks ago he began passing blood in his urine again and has undergone tests and scans to find the problem. He sees the hospital specialist tomorrow, so hopefully the results will be good. The doctors thought it possible that a lesion from the radio therapy implant he had could have ruptured, if that's the correct word, due to the pummelling he received from the CPR and that the blood thinners he is now on could have made things look worse than they are. I won't know about this until I speak to my friends after the appointment tomorrow.

Regarding Richard, the friend I posted about, well he is adamant that he is going down this blushberry and cannabis route. He says he doesn't want to die, but wouldn't it be better, or possible that he could carry on with this stuff and still receive chemotherapy? On the other hand, if, as he says, the doctors have told him there's nothing they can do, other than prolong his life by some months is there any point?

For sure he could afford to see, or go, anywhere in the world to see doctors and obtain whatever new, revolutionary treatment there is, but he won't.

It's just a bad situation and he is determined to do things his way. We have even suggested he comes here to us as we have a private hospital nearby which is recognised as one of the leading cancer treatment hospitals in the world, but, no, he won't do that either.

I do thank you all very much for your replies, they are appreciated.
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01-11-2017, 03:47 PM
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Realist I will listen to your ideas when you can provide proof, rather than theories, and give full details of somebody who was diagnosed with cancer
Really? And when you were steered down the route for chemo and drugs did you insist on proof at that point too or did you simply do as you were told?

I'd like to see the proof of chemo TBH because frankly that statistics on success are abysmal and doubtless these days they will have been carefully worded and doctored by the health industry.

There are countless testimonies of people who HAVE been cured of cancer properly and naturally, you just have to go online and read them. As I have said before though, you won't find the industry doing any great studies on natural cures because they have no vested interest in doing so and have every vested interest in keeping such cures suppressed.

Big Pharma owns the entire health industry from the top down and that includes the studies, research and laws surrounding it all.

Originally Posted by Twink55 ->
Until then I will follow common sense, as I have been cured of cancer at a cancer specialist hospital!
Common sense?! What happened to objective research?
What happened to your proof? You've simply made your mind up (which is fine) but you views are not predicated on any factual evidence. You've had treatment and it happened to work for you.

That's like talking to a lottery jackpot winner and saying "yep, the lottery is a fantastic thing it really works"

When you look at the actual facts, no the lottery doesn't work. It feeds £millions to the corrupt organisers and the naļve mugpunters get royally ripped off.

People are foolish if they do not look to the abundance of Nature. One does not have to wait until they become sick and thus put themselves in Richard's predicament.

One CAN do the research proactively right now, before anything happens and thereby they can understand what things Nature provides that will help them prevent cancer in the first place.

Knowledge is everything.
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01-11-2017, 03:52 PM
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Another very close friend died 2 years ago from multiple myeloma after suffering just over two years of the most horrendous treatments. After almost 2 years she went into remission, but as it is with multiple myeloma it always comes back after a few months. More treatment, more suffering, but she died anyway.
This unfortunately is the story for a great many people. The fact is the Big Pharma companies do not care. All they are interested in is selling the cancer treatments and since they own the entire industry and its media they have convinced people (inc health workers) that their way is the only way.

Truth is their treatments, drugs and potions are imo more likely to kill you early than anything else. I wonder how many people have been steered down the treatment route without actually needing it?

I have no doubt that the pathway of treatments and drugs have been carefully designed to gradually create further problems which in turn require additional drugs and treatments. You alleviate one symptom but generate another. You see this happening over and over to people. People are stupid. They put blind trust in the industry without realising that the industry exists for profit, nothing more.

Don't be a victim of this fraud.

Be proactive, understand what natural foods and herbs will prevent you getting cancer and which will kill it if you do have it.
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Really? And when you were steered down the route for chemo and drugs did you insist on proof at that point too or did you simply do as you were told?

I'd like to see the proof of chemo TBH because frankly that statistics on success are abysmal and doubtless these days they will have been carefully worded and doctored by the health industry.

There are countless testimonies of people who HAVE been cured of cancer properly and naturally, you just have to go online and read them. As I have said before though, you won't find the industry doing any great studies on natural cures because they have no vested interest in doing so and have every vested interest in keeping such cures suppressed.

Big Pharma owns the entire health industry from the top down and that includes the studies, research and laws surrounding it all.



Common sense?! What happened to objective research?
What happened to your proof? You've simply made your mind up (which is fine) but you views are not predicated on any factual evidence. You've had treatment and it happened to work for you.

That's like talking to a lottery jackpot winner and saying "yep, the lottery is a fantastic thing it really works"

When you look at the actual facts, no the lottery doesn't work. It feeds £millions to the corrupt organisers and the naļve mugpunters get royally ripped off.

People are foolish if they do not look to the abundance of Nature. One does not have to wait until they become sick and thus put themselves in Richard's predicament.

One CAN do the research proactively right now, before anything happens and thereby they can understand what things Nature provides that will help them prevent cancer in the first place.

Knowledge is everything.
I am not going to tell all the details of my cancer but I will say that chemo was the only chance of killing it before it killed me. The Chemo was awful and I was due to have four sessions over 3 days, every 3 weeks.

It was lung cancer but it had formed in my breast, so quite unusual, and that is why I was sent to a cancer specialist hospital. After the 2nd session the lump( about the size if a small apple) had completely disappeared. By the 3rd session I was so ill with the chemo that I said " No more because I believe the tumour is dead".

Five weeks later a surgeon, at a different hospital, removed the remains of the tumour leaving no more than a small scar as evidence that it had been there. The surgeon visited me later that day to confirm that my tumour was as dead as a Dodo. That was 6 years ago and tests have shown no further signs of cancer.

What saddens me is, if I had read and believed your theory then not had the Chemo I would have been dead, and unable to tell you that your theory may influence others with cancer and they may die too. Unless you have proof, why not keep your ideas to yourself, because you could be responsible for somebody losing their life because they listened to you!

My story is proof that Chemo can cure you of cancer
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I totally agree with you Twink. I am so grateful to the NHS for keeping me alive, through multiple surgeries over the last 50 years. I should have died long ago if not for them.

There are so many nutty theories propounded and alternative therapies pedalled by some in society, rather than relying on research and medical trials. If they had their way, doctors would still be tasting the patient's urine for sugar, to disgnose diabetes mellitus.

Through my job I was involved in lots of pharmaceutical medical studies to improve patients health and diabetes control, some with extremely successful outcomes. Resulting in far better control and health of those suffering from this very unpleasant disease.
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What saddens me is, if I had read and believed your theory then not had the Chemo I would have been dead
On the other hand if you'd had any semblance of an open mind prior to that point and done the research and as a result been active in eating the right foods, nuts, seeds and fruits then you wouldn't have been in the dire predicament you found yourself in would you?

This whole thing is as much about prevention as it is cure.

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Unless you have proof, why not keep your ideas to yourself, because you could be responsible for somebody losing their life because they listened to you!
No I couldn't. I simply encourage people to look at the facts and DO THE RESEARCH because the answers are out there. You haven't done any research, you haven't looked at the facts. Your experience, whilst thankfully a positive one, is entirely anecdotal. Meaningless. Whilst you run about telling people how great chemo is, hundreds of people are surely being killed by it. They may get a few extra months/years but it kills them early and gives them a reduced quality of life in that period. Many of them need not have died at all.

Such statistics were freely available some years ago and it was well known and accepted that doctors themselves would never go near Chemo. These days the Big Pharma totally control the media so you're not going to get the truth from mainstream health industry "stooge" sources.

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My story is proof that Chemo can cure you of cancer
No it isn't sadly. No more than rolling a 6 on a die is proof that the die always comes up 6.

But this is all academic and rather pointless. Your mind is closed on this issue so pointless go round the cycle every time TBH.
 
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