Join for free
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Flicker's Avatar
Flicker
Senior Member
Flicker is offline
France
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,110
Flicker is female  Flicker has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
28-07-2017, 03:14 PM
1

When is a Brexit not a Brexit?

Cabinet coup as Mayhem's hills are alive.

There will be no Brexit. In five years you'll get fed up and realise it is impossible. Since Labour will reflect the opinion of the public in the next election even if it means a U turn on Brexit, and with the Tories in the shit ready to lose the next election because of their disastrous negotiations, you won't leave.

https://www.ft.com/content/df460e26-72b ... f383b09ff9
The EU27 and their chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, have been relatively precise about conditions: a transition must be limited in time and if it involves an extension of EU single market law, it comes with existing EU obligations.

According to the EU negotiating directives, that means applying “existing Union regulatory, budgetary, supervisory, judiciary and enforcement instruments and structures”.

If Britain yields to all these terms, it could be relatively simple to negotiate. The UK would have to accept free movement, the jurisdiction of the European Court, pay into the EU budget for up to three years, and apply new EU laws. But it would have no say; Britain would lose its voting rights, its MEPs and its European commissioner.
ruthio
Chatterbox
ruthio is offline
Southern UK
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 11,732
ruthio is female  ruthio has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
28-07-2017, 03:42 PM
2

Re: When is a Brexit not a Brexit?

https://www.ft.com/content/df460e26-72b ... f383b09ff9


Why wasn't this page found?

This page is hosted by a foreign web server and is therefore banned to ensure the supremacy of our own software.



We asked some leading economists.

Stagflation i
The cost of pages rose drastically, while the page production rate slowed down.

General economics
There was no market for it.

Liquidity traps
We injected some extra money into the technology team but there was little or no interest so they simply kept it, thus failing to stimulate the page economy.

Pareto inefficiency
There exists another page that will make everyone better off without making anyone worse off.

Supply and demand i
Demand increased and a shortage occurred.

Classical economics
There is no such page. We are not going to interfere.

Keynesian economics
Aggregate demand for this page did not necessarily equal the productive capacity of the website.

Malthusianism i
Unchecked, exponential page growth outstripped the pixel supply.
There was a catastrophe, and now the population is at a lower, more sustainable level.

Neo-Malthusianism i
To avoid unchecked, exponential page growth outstripping the pixel supply and leading to an inevitable catastrophe, we prevented this page from being conceived.

Marxism i
The failure of this page to load is a consequence of the inherent contradictions in the capitalist mode of production.

Laissez Faire Capitalism
We know this page is needed, but we can't force anyone to make it.

Monetarism i
The government has limited the number of pages in circulation.

Efficient Markets Hypothesis i
If you had paid enough for the page, it would have appeared.

Moral Hazard i
Showing you this page would only encourage you to want more pages.

Tragedy of the Commons i
Everyone wanted to view this page, but no-one was willing to maintain it.

Game theory i
By not viewing this page you help everyone else get better pages.

Mercantilism i
The page is hosted by a foreign web server and is therefore banned to ensure the supremacy of our own software.

Trickle-down
High taxes on content publishers prevented them hiring the person who would have written this page.

Speculative bubble
The page never actually existed and was fundamentally impossible, but everyone bought into it in a frenzy and it's all now ending in tears.

Socialism
If you were to get the page you wanted you might get a better page than someone else, which would be unfair. This way at least everyone gets the same.

Behavioural economics i
The influence of psychological factors caused you to act in a manner that would not be expected of a purely rational actor.

Theory of the second best i
The best outcome was unachievable, so you have arrived here instead.
swimfeeders
Chatterbox
swimfeeders is offline
Shropshire
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 24,056
swimfeeders is male  swimfeeders has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
28-07-2017, 03:43 PM
3

Re: When is a Brexit not a Brexit?

Originally Posted by Flicker ->
Cabinet coup as Mayhem's hills are alive.

There will be no Brexit. In five years you'll get fed up and realise it is impossible. Since Labour will reflect the opinion of the public in the next election even if it means a U turn on Brexit, and with the Tories in the shit ready to lose the next election because of their disastrous negotiations, you won't leave.

https://www.ft.com/content/df460e26-72b ... f383b09ff9
The EU27 and their chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, have been relatively precise about conditions: a transition must be limited in time and if it involves an extension of EU single market law, it comes with existing EU obligations.

According to the EU negotiating directives, that means applying “existing Union regulatory, budgetary, supervisory, judiciary and enforcement instruments and structures”.

If Britain yields to all these terms, it could be relatively simple to negotiate. The UK would have to accept free movement, the jurisdiction of the European Court, pay into the EU budget for up to three years, and apply new EU laws. But it would have no say; Britain would lose its voting rights, its MEPs and its European commissioner.
Hi

I accept everything you say Flicker, it would be a disaster for our UK Economy.

What would it mean to France?

The loss of GCHQ, the ones who identified and tracked your Bataclan and Nice attackers whilst your much vaunted Intelligence Services, all 9 of them, were still arguing amongst themselves.

£10 billion a year should cover it, just from France, even more from Germany.

The hardware and algorithms are ours, they belong to the UK Government,naff all to do with the EU, so play hardball, see what happens.
Meg's Avatar
Meg
Supervisor
Meg is offline
Worcestershire
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 42,850
Meg is female  Meg has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
28-07-2017, 04:25 PM
4

Re: When is a Brexit not a Brexit?

''When is a Brexit not a Brexit?''
'Brexit' doesn't exist,it is a silly made up word .

We are however leaving the European Union and it can't come soon enough for me or anyone else who wants our elected government to take charge of Great Britain and our own finances .
Julie1962
Chatterbox
Julie1962 is offline
Surrey
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 42,846
Julie1962 is female  Julie1962 has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
28-07-2017, 04:29 PM
5

Re: When is a Brexit not a Brexit?

Originally Posted by Meg ->
''When is a Brexit not a Brexit?''
'Brexit' doesn't exist,it is a silly made up word .

We are however leaving the European Union and it can't come soon enough for me or anyone else who wants our elected government to take charge of Great Britain and our own finances .
Completely agree are you looking forward like me to a day when we don't talk about brexit as its so far in the past
Nom
Chatterbox
Nom is offline
Northumberland
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,118
Nom is male  Nom has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
28-07-2017, 04:32 PM
6

Re: When is a Brexit not a Brexit?

Purwell
Chatterbox
Purwell is offline
North Herts, England
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 6,576
Purwell is male  Purwell has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
28-07-2017, 04:34 PM
7

Re: When is a Brexit not a Brexit?

Say goodbye to jobs and cheap food as well, back to the stone age we go.
Julie1962
Chatterbox
Julie1962 is offline
Surrey
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 42,846
Julie1962 is female  Julie1962 has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
28-07-2017, 04:35 PM
8

Re: When is a Brexit not a Brexit?

Originally Posted by Purwell ->
Say goodbye to jobs and cheap food as well, back to the stone age we go.
I think some foods have to go up to give a reasonable living to people making them or picking them. Tea worries me its pennies so how much do the pickers and packers earn ?
Flicker's Avatar
Flicker
Senior Member
Flicker is offline
France
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,110
Flicker is female  Flicker has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
28-07-2017, 05:15 PM
9

Re: When is a Brexit not a Brexit?

Originally Posted by Meg ->
''When is a Brexit not a Brexit?''
'Brexit' doesn't exist,it is a silly made up word .

We are however leaving the European Union and it can't come soon enough for me or anyone else who wants our elected government to take charge of Great Britain and our own finances .
That's just it.
It isn't coming.

You'll thank someone who saved you from yourselves in the future.
Flicker's Avatar
Flicker
Senior Member
Flicker is offline
France
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,110
Flicker is female  Flicker has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
28-07-2017, 05:21 PM
10

Re: When is a Brexit not a Brexit?

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

I accept everything you say Flicker, it would be a disaster for our UK Economy.

What would it mean to France?

The loss of GCHQ, the ones who identified and tracked your Bataclan and Nice attackers whilst your much vaunted Intelligence Services, all 9 of them, were still arguing amongst themselves.

£10 billion a year should cover it, just from France, even more from Germany.

The hardware and algorithms are ours, they belong to the UK Government,naff all to do with the EU, so play hardball, see what happens.
France doesn't rely on the UK anymore than the UK relies on France for security.
That is another good reason to stay in the EU. Mutual security.

As an aside I heard an interview with the new Council President this morning who said the UK was not unprepared...but that he had had a conversation with Mr. Barnier who knew how many dogs and cats had passed thru Europe last year...ie the UK may be prepared but the EU is PREPARED.
 
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >



© Copyright 2009, Over50sForum   Contact Us | Over 50s Forum! | Archive | Privacy Statement | Terms of Use | Top

Powered by vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.