20-02-2017, 07:00 PM
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FlickerSorry but it looks like you pension pot will get hit as will everything else.
People in the EU will have to work longer for the same amount as they get now. Old age pension will not start until they are 70/75 years old .
This is what they scared of
20-02-2017, 07:01 PM
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HiSome interesting statistics.
These are from Eurostat, which is an EU Institution, beloved by Flicker as it is the EU.
The figures are as last published , 2016.
France, debt as % of GDP 96%, UK 88.3%
France, Unemployment 9.5 %, UK 4.8%
France, Youth Unemployment 24.7% , UK 13.1%.
It would appear we not to bad.
As far as how much we owe the EIB, yes it is between 40 and 50 billion.
However we own 16% of the EIB issued capital, which is around 36 billion.
Not bad , especially as we could not only sell our capital at Cost, we would also get additional money for our share of the bank itself.
20-02-2017, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiSome interesting statistics.
These are from Eurostat, which is an EU Institution, beloved by Flicker as it is the EU.
The figures are as last published , 2016.
France, debt as % of GDP 96%, UK 88.3%
France, Unemployment 9.5 %, UK 4.8%
France, Youth Unemployment 24.7% , UK 13.1%.
It would appear we not to bad.
As far as how much we owe the EIB, yes it is between 40 and 50 billion.
However we own 16% of the EIB issued capital, which is around 36 billion.
Not bad , especially as we could not only sell our capital at Cost, we would also get additional money for our share of the bank itself.
I look forward to seeing how the Frog responds to that!
21-02-2017, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiSome interesting statistics.
These are from Eurostat, which is an EU Institution, beloved by Flicker as it is the EU.
The figures are as last published , 2016.
France, debt as % of GDP 96%, UK 88.3%
France, Unemployment 9.5 %, UK 4.8%
France, Youth Unemployment 24.7% , UK 13.1%.
It would appear we not to bad.
As far as how much we owe the EIB, yes it is between 40 and 50 billion.
However we own 16% of the EIB issued capital, which is around 36 billion.
Not bad , especially as we could not only sell our capital at Cost, we would also get additional money for our share of the bank itself.
Even of you join the WTO you will have to start trade deals from scratch, and it won't be free:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...rs-trade-deals
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7325326.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...anisation.html
N top of which your pound is weak and likely to fall, you loss of labour will dent your output and there is a distinct probability that your services industry will shrink considerably. It is already slowing down.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ips-pmi-report
Your economy is slowing, prices are rising, your hospitals are collapsing and your old people are uncared for. Your roads are full of garbage and your cities gridlocked. You can't even run a rail system properly! You expect trade deals tomorrow and want to dodge what you owe.
Look to your own problems. The EU will do just fine.
21-02-2017, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by realspeed
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Ok so what are the other EU countries scared of when we leave?Easy!!!! they will have to make up the contributions we give as it will leave a huge hole in their budget.
I can just see the French-Germans-Italians and the rest of them jumping with joy when their taxes increase to make up the loss, which will have to happen like it or not.
The value of the Euro will drop to half of its today value is my guess causing more trouble for the countries wanting to stay in.
Then who will be laughing? US
21-02-2017, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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Of course, and that's why they're trying their best to 'fine' us billions of pounds when we leave!As SF has said, we need to turn the tables and demand financial compensation from them. Many of their buildings, for example, must in part belong to us.
And we need to get our money before the whole caboodle collapses, which it will within a few years.
21-02-2017, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Morticia
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The figures been bandied about are getting ridiculous.You'd think we'd be awarded some kind of goodwill compensation from say, for example, ... Poland .. who's prospered greatly from the Uk's input into their roads, railways, hospitals etc... not to be confused with the state of our own which is pretty dire by comparison now.
Typical loan sharks but about right for a messy divorce.
Don't be so overtly stupid.
Your infrastructure is your govt's responsiblity and has nothing to do with Poland.
21-02-2017, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Flicker
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For heaven's sake.. the EU won't have you to pay out for anymore!! Your farming, your research, your universities, your inner city renovation, your infrastructure,...just where are you going to find all that?
Sounds to us as though like all countries staying in the EU are starting to panic.
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In 2015 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.5 billion.
Between 2010 and 2014 taxpayers in Britain, France and Germany ploughed net contributions of 127.5 billion euros into the Brussels project, according to official figures from the European Commission.
But during the same time the Eastern European members of the club - some 10 former Communist countries - took out 134.5 billion euros in funding and subsidies.
looks as if the Eastern European countries will have to start paying in for a change or get kicked out of the EU
21-02-2017, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by realspeed
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From the outrageous contributions we won't have to give to the EU.I would have thought that was obvious. We actually pay in more than we take out if you didn't knowSounds to us as though like all countries staying in the EU are starting to panic.
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In 2015 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.5 billion.
That it is about 1/20th the NHS annual budget??
Do please get a sense proportion. Over 4 years the total UK contribution to the EU is less than what the UK spends on JUST the NHS in one year.
Your contributions will not cover even a small amount of the extra the HNS needs just to offer wider corridors to accommodate more trolleys.
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