10-07-2018, 05:38 PM
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Re: Boris Johnson resigns.
Originally Posted by Missy
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We can blame David Cameron for this balls up. He was so desperate to win with a majority he offered the referendum without thinking it out, thinking we wouldn’t go for it
But we did
And is it really our fault that our elected government weren’t prepared for a Brexit. They fed both camps so much misinformation in the hope that they would get a remain vote but it never happened. Cameron bailed right away. He knew this was going to be a big balls up and it really is
However the bigger the balls up the more I want a hard brexit. No deal is sounding better then a bad deal from where I’m sitting because all I can see is how Brussels is still calling the tune and for me it was about leaving their control
We have been offered a Canada style deal, a basic free trade, we have refused this as being a bad deal.
The logic defeats me, this is exactly the same type of deal we are seeking with others when we leave.
I wish someone could explain to me why we should not just accept this and concentrate on leaving as soon as possible.
10-07-2018, 06:59 PM
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Re: Boris Johnson resigns.
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiWe have been offered a Canada style deal, a basic free trade, we have refused this as being a bad deal.
The logic defeats me, this is exactly the same type of deal we are seeking with others when we leave.
I wish someone could explain to me why we should not just accept this and concentrate on leaving as soon as possible.
Perhaps because our divorce lawyer never wanted brexit in the first place so is muddying the waters so much , another referendum on where we are might get called and the whole thing gets called off
10-07-2018, 07:02 PM
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Re: Boris Johnson resigns.
Originally Posted by Missy
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We can blame David Cameron for this balls up. He was so desperate to win with a majority he offered the referendum without thinking it out, thinking we wouldn’t go for it
But we did
And is it really our fault that our elected government weren’t prepared for a Brexit. They fed both camps so much misinformation in the hope that they would get a remain vote but it never happened. Cameron bailed right away. He knew this was going to be a big balls up and it really is
However the bigger the balls up the more I want a hard brexit. No deal is sounding better then a bad deal from where I’m sitting because all I can see is how Brussels is still calling the tune and for me it was about leaving their control
I agree, too, that the EU is calling all the shots. In fact, whatever Remainer May offers them, they refuse point blank. That's OK by me. It is the silly woman who keeps on giving more and more in the hope of acceptance, and I hope that when she attempts to give away her latest bright idea they refuse that too.
It is all about freedom to do what we want. When we are out we can do what we want; we can offer deals with anyone we want. If they refuse, we continue to trade under WTO rules. However, I believe it will be in both our interest and that of other nations to trade under mutually beneficial agreements. Why should they not?
Many have also predicted that within a few years, perhaps a decade or less, the EU will begin to collapse when EU nations see us trading successfully without the interminable rules and restrictions applied by Brussels.
10-07-2018, 07:08 PM
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Re: Boris Johnson resigns.
Originally Posted by Missy
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Perhaps because our divorce lawyer never wanted brexit in the first place so is muddying the waters so much , another referendum on where we are might get called and the whole thing gets called off
"The lack of obligations on Canada in return for EU market access has made a CETA-style relationship attractive to some Brexiteers, as it would respect campaign promises to end large sums of money being sent to Brussels and allow greater controls on EU immigration.
But, critics have pointed out such an agreement would not offer the same level of access to EU markets for UK companies - especially in the dominant services sector - as currently enjoyed under Britain's membership of the single market and customs union."
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-wh...-deal-11096397
10-07-2018, 07:21 PM
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Re: Boris Johnson resigns.
Originally Posted by Barry
Yes they need to carry out the majority mandate but they still have a duty to consider everyone, not just us leavers. I agree we voted to leave but how we leave is, and always was, going to be a balancing act that has to take into account not just our wishes but the needs of the country as a whole. Because the remainers lost doesn't take away their rights as citizens, who still have every right to have their say on the process even if we think they are wrong. Such is democracy.
If the Tories win the next General Election are you saying that the wants and desires of those that voted Labour should somehow be taken into account? Should there be some kind of shared Prime Ministership because we have to consider those that lost the election?
Just nuts.
Democracy says the majority wins. Leave won, therefore we leave, no if's, no but's, no wishy washy half deal nonsense. We MUST leave plain and simple and that quite clearly means no longer being under the control of the EU or the ECJ in any shape or form.
10-07-2018, 07:27 PM
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Re: Boris Johnson resigns.
Originally Posted by Realist
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This is nuts.If the Tories win the next General Election are you saying that the wants and desires of those that voted Labour should somehow be taken into account? Should there be some kind of shared Prime Ministership because we have to consider those that lost the election?
Just nuts.
Democracy says the majority wins. Leave won, therefore we leave, no if's, no but's, no wishy washy half deal nonsense. We MUST leave plain and simple and that quite clearly means no longer being under the control of the EU or the ECJ in any shape or form.
Her philosophy is to keep everyone happy.
What she is achieving is keeping no-one happy.
10-07-2018, 08:28 PM
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Re: Boris Johnson resigns.
Originally Posted by Purwell
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Absolute rubbish!
She has dillied and dallied to buy time for the EU propaganda machine to go into overdrive in the media and social media so that when the Great BrExit Fudge is implemented, there will be less angry people.
They all belong to the great pyramid of power and do as they are told.
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