Re: Who doesn't have the flu jab and why?
Originally Posted by
Twink55
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The whole point of vaccinations is to stop the disease becoming an epidemic & ending the lives of many & the flu vaccine is given for the same reason!
There is no evidence whatsoever that the flu vaccine could or will stop or prevent any epidemic of Flu. None at all. This is empty rhetoric. In fact I am 100% sure that if there were an epidemic we would discover extremely quickly how utterly useless the flu vaccine has been and is as millions of vaccinated people would get the Flu.
Originally Posted by
Twink55
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I have my flu jab every year, even though I believe my chances of getting it are unlikely. Why do I have it then?
I have it because I don't want to take the risk of catching it, but also because I don't want to pass it on to people I spend time with either!
Your reasoning is badly flawed but you are free to do as you wish of course but others should know why that reasoning is flawed.
When your body becomes exposed to Flu virus you will contaminate other people just as you would if you didn't have the vaccine. In fact a study has shown that vaccinated people spread Flu to others
6 TIMES MORE than unvaccinated people. So the TRUTH is that those people having the flu shots are the ones putting everybody else at risk. Quite possibly killing others along the way.
Either way, being vaccinated DOES NOT stop you passing Flu virus onto other people. Do the research and you will find this out for yourself.
Originally Posted by
Twink55
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Everybody is entitled to make their own decision on whether they have the flu jab, or not, but I don't want to be responsible for infecting others if I did get flu.
As stated above, you SHOULD NOT have the flu shot then as by doing so you ARE infecting others up to 6 times more than if you didn't have the vaccine.
Originally Posted by
Twink55
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many who have died from Pneumonia, ......and not having a flu jab may be the reason you are in these circumstances.
This is annecdotal. People suffer badly from Pneumonia because their immune systems can not cope with the sheer volumes of virus invading the body. That happens because they have weak immune systems (either through bad lifestyle or other illness). Having the Flu shot stresses the immune system as it has to expend valuable resources fighting off what it thinks is a Flu virus and it does so at that critical time in the year when colds, ILI's and Flu are circulating. Not a good thing to do imho.
Pneumonia is NOT flu it's entirely different. Weak and vulnerable people can get Pneumonia simply by following bogus advice to take paracetamols and Neurofens to bring down a fever/temperature during a cold or ILI. Doing so completely obstructs the body's natural defenses as the fever is purposely there to stop the virus replicating. Bring that fever down and the virus replicates with gay abandon and overruns the body in no time. For older people this can kill them simple as.
Originally Posted by
Twink55
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It takes a few days for you to realize you have the flu, and you could pass it on before you know you have it....
Correct and this is the same whether you have the vaccine or not.
Originally Posted by
Twink55
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so I don't want to risk the lives of others in my family ( and that includes children) just because a company on the internet say I don't need my flu jab.
You ARE risking the lives of those people because when you get the Flu you will spread it up to 6 times more than if you didn't have the vaccine.
Originally Posted by
Twink55
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You cannot get flu from having the jab, but you may get a cold virus, as that is likely to be around when the flu jabs are given
This is only true for adults who get inactivated virus shots. Children on the other hand get LIVE virus and so very much ARE BEING GIVEN THE FLU. Those children will then infect everyone else around them for a period of 1 to 2 weeks.
Regardless, the problem remains also for adults. The inactivated virus flu shot still causes your body to react as it it were fighting Flu and thus it stresses your immune system and uses up valuable resources. This happens at the same time that colds, ILIs and Flu viruses are circulating (the "Flu Season") and so leaves older adults vulnerable for a period of time. If they catch a cold, ILI or FLu in that time then they are not likely to fare well. If instead they had not had their Flu shot and simply taken time and responsibility to boost their immune system through eating good foods and staying healthy then they would have vastly improved their chances.
This post epitomises the extent of misconceptions about both Flu and the Flu vaccines imho. Vaccines don't stop you getting the Flu. They help the body deal with it if/when you do get the Flu, however, peer reviewed studies and research have shown that the extent of how much they help is extremely tiny as to be next to useless. They help about 1 in 100 people.
The very best way to prevent suffering from Flu is to keep your body and immune system in good condition.
Vaccinated children should, imho be completely isolated and quaranteed for a perion of at least 1 week. This should be taken extremely seriously because there's no doubt in my mind that children are spreading Flu from vaccines and that in turn is killing older people.
Imagine if they were being given live EBOLA virus and released into the population!
There would be an outcry. Yet when it's Flu we seem to just let it pass ! Go figure !