14-01-2019, 08:56 AM
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May loses vote on Brexit deal - what happens next???https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...plan-b-cartoon
14-01-2019, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Joe
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May loses vote on Brexit deal - what happens next???https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...plan-b-cartoon
14-01-2019, 12:12 PM
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Give her her due, May is absolutely certain of what will happen.She has said, today, that there are only two choices:
1. vote for her deal (to keep us in the EU); or
2. vote against her deal and remain in the EU.
Just listening to a previous Commons Speaker on the news now who admits that he voted to remain, but that the will of the people is far more important than what individual MPs want, and we should therefore leave the EU without a deal.
14-01-2019, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce
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Oh come on, that is a straw man argument. The Common Market became the EEC became the EU while you were members, YOU, as part of the organisation, made it so.
14-01-2019, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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Give her her due, May is absolutely certain of what will happen.She has said, today, that there are only two choices:
1. vote for her deal (to keep us in the EU); or
2. vote against her deal and remain in the EU.
Just listening to a previous Commons Speaker on the news now who admits that he voted to remain, but that the will of the people is far more important than what individual MPs want, and we should therefore leave the EU without a deal.
Why do you insist No Deal?
It is the most costly and damaging of all options.
14-01-2019, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Aerolor
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That's true. People conveniently forget that we are part of the EU - fully paid up members with rights and obligations. We cannot just opt out. IF the EU is now a monster we don't like we should realise that we have been instrumental in its creation.
Did the people vote on changes to our constitution that the signing of different EU treaties would create? No we didn't, they were signed with no regard for public opinion.
14-01-2019, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiWhy do you insist No Deal?
It is the most costly and damaging of all options.
14-01-2019, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Aerolor
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That's true. People conveniently forget that we are part of the EU - fully paid up members with rights and obligations. We cannot just opt out. IF the EU is now a monster we don't like we should realise that we have been instrumental in its creation.
Don't include me.
I would have voted to join the EEC, but would never have voted to convert it into the EU.
14-01-2019, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Judd
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But only in the short term I would posit.
And it happens to be THE ONLY outcome that will see the EU play ball in terms of a future relationship. Once it is clear we ARE out, and they won't be getting their £40million or whatever the current estimate is, then they will have good incentive to come back to the table and negotiate seriously.
It's a step by step process.
It begins with demonstrating to the world that we ARE out of the EU. Once that irrevocable line is crossed all the subsequent steps can be made. Trade deals, etc etc.
Without the initial step to cross that line, no-one, no-one at all, takes BrExit seriously and people will just continue to faff about as they have for the past 2 years.
We are well past other options at this point.
The divorce needs to be forced through. The bitch will only go by dragging and screaming so that's what must be done.
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