21-09-2020, 05:50 PM
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Re: Extinction the facts
Originally Posted by JBR
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And you think that criminal damage will do anything to persuade the government to make changes that you can't even specify?I must say, with all due politeness, that you do surprise me, Muddy, with your lack of any real logic in supporting such unnecessary damage to other people's property. Not something that I would ever lower myself to do, especially as it would achieve nothing other than to lower civilised people's opinions of the movements you appear to support.
21-09-2020, 05:50 PM
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Re: Extinction the facts
Originally Posted by Muddy
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But principally it will make their voices heard.
Yes, we've all heard their voices.
How many of us do you imagine think any more highly of them?
How many of us do you imagine see them as nothing more than naughty children?
21-09-2020, 05:52 PM
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Re: Extinction the facts
Originally Posted by Muddy
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Well said Annie At one time nothing lived in the Thames
It was so polluted if you fell in you were in grave danger of dying .
21-09-2020, 06:06 PM
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Re: Extinction the facts
Originally Posted by Muddy
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Well said Annie At one time nothing lived in the Thames
It was so polluted if you fell in you were in grave danger of dying .
I live near a very busy road, and when the traffic was much reduced , owing to the Covid virus, I was amazed how loud the bird songs became, we were told how much cleaner the air was & having had foxes visit my garden for over 30 years, this year I have seen the healthiest pair of foxes & their cub that I have ever seen!
These wonderful changes were achieved on an acre of land by reduction of traffic fumes.
You could notice the change in air quality & I certainly noticed the reduction in traffic noise, so I think that any changes we make will improve life for all. Just think of the money you would save by making just a few small changes. Isn't it worth trying?
21-09-2020, 06:18 PM
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Re: Extinction the facts
Originally Posted by Twink55
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I am sure many people would be surprised at how much difference small changes make!I live near a very busy road, and when the traffic was much reduced , owing to the Covid virus, I was amazed how loud the bird songs became, we were told how much cleaner the air was & having had foxes visit my garden for over 30 years, this year I have seen the healthiest pair of foxes & their cub that I have ever seen!
These wonderful changes were achieved on an acre of land by reduction of traffic fumes.
You could notice the change in air quality & I certainly noticed the reduction in traffic noise, so I think that any changes we make will improve life for all. Just think of the money you would save by making just a few small changes. Isn't it worth trying?
we should have more pandemics in order to hear the birds
21-09-2020, 07:53 PM
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Re: Extinction the facts
Originally Posted by JBR
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Great! It makes their voices heard!Yes, we've all heard their voices.
How many of us do you imagine think any more highly of them?
How many of us do you imagine see them as nothing more than naughty children?
I don't think its a matter of being highly thought of - its a question of what you believe is right .
The Suffragettes were not highly thought of at the time
Most people I know are very conscious of the environment .
I don't see them as naughty children.
Don't you think that is rather a patronising attitude ?
Most are not children at all .
One of the men found guilty of digging up the turf was 61
I believe in climate change .
As do many health professionals
Doctors for Extinction Rebellion is a Doctors collective who, appreciating that Climate change is an impending public health catastrophe, have decided to undertake Civil Disobedience with Extinction Rebellion.
https://www.doctorsforxr.com/
21-09-2020, 08:08 PM
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Re: Extinction the facts
Originally Posted by Vlad
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And that was before global warming so you are a tad late jumping on that bandwagon/outrage bus
21-09-2020, 08:32 PM
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Re: Extinction the facts
Originally Posted by Muddy
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I don't see them as naughty children.Don't you think that is rather a patronising attitude ?
Most are not children at all .
One of the men found guilty of digging up the turf was 61
I said that they behave like naughty children.
Anyway, I won't upset you any more. As I said, I like you and you are entitled to your opinions (as am I).
21-09-2020, 09:48 PM
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Re: Extinction the facts
Originally Posted by Muddy
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And you can’t give me a better example than a small of a bit of hallowed Cambridge turf that no one is allowed to walk on!Yes I can justify it because years of talking / petitions / scientific evidence as made no impact on the government ,
Non violent civil disobedience is the next step and one that has historical precedents for change .
Any benefits arising from this movement will be for the generations to come our grandchildren
Stopping trains delivering coal to Drax power station, the main contributor to the national grid. The consequences of interrupting the supply would have been catastrophic.
The UK government has done more to offset climate change by providing sustainable energy and pollution control than any other country. Even you Muddy mentioned how most rivers had been returned to their natural state, you also mentioned the pea soupers that have now been eradicated by the reduction in fossil fuels. Incandescent light bulbs have been replaced with low energy LED versions, and every household in Britain now recycles their waste. Whole forests of wind turbines now fill our seascapes and wild spaces and solar panels adorn many roofs, both industrial and private. Not to mention the many projects still at the design stage such as electric vehicles....
The economy is a balancing act, and just moving headlong into new technology would leave thousands of people out of work, but the green revolution doesn't care about that, and I believe that is a very selfish attitude.
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